Re: XP Professional: Not as bad as I expected, but still VERY primitive



In news:1151637810.838049.186090@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
James Davis <mcleanzep@xxxxxxxxx> typed:
George Graves wrote:
After a week of using XP Pro at my newest client's place of
business, I have to be honest and say that I was wrong. XP is
nowhere near as unusable as my previous brief encounters with it had
led me to believe. It is, in fact, very usable. It is also, compared
to OSX, very primitive.

See, that's the thing. Windows XP IS usable, AFTER you've gone to go
through all the trouble to figure out how it works. With the Mac, you
don't have this annoying period.

um, no, whichever you're more familiar with is going to seem more
'intuitive' and you need to figure out both.

I am studying for my MCSE right now.
When you first look at the GUI, you really can't decipher where
anything will be. It's not intuitive at all, just a mess. But then
AFTER you have figured out how the area you are dealing with is
structured, then it becomes at least a little consistent. This is
different from OS X where you can look at the interface and figure out
how the pieces fit together.

I'd love to see what OS X Server's GUI looks like, since it has all
the settings you configure for a server, but I can't spend $500 just
to see it. With Windows, to learn a specific console for an area
like setting up the PC as a router, at first everything is just
scattered all over
the place.

i can think of 2 places you need to configure to set up windows as a router-
the network control panel and the routing and remote access service.
someplace else you had in mind?

Eventually, when you work your way through it, it becomes
OK. But I'm sure Apple provides a much more top down approach to
things.

yeah, you're 'sure' in the same way that george was 'sure' that xp was
largely unusable- no experience with it.

I also find networking STILL unnecessirily complex and hard to
set-up. There is a seemingly endless merry-go-round of set-up
windows which if followed take you round and round and round the
same set of windows over and over. I kept hoping that one of them
would yield a brass ring, but no such luck

Apple has one control panel for networking: Network

Since Windows 98, Microsoft has had:
Network control panel, Network Connections, Dial-up Connections,
Network and Dial-up Connections, Network Neighborhood, My Network
Places, Add Network Place, properties of each network connection, tabs
and buttons popping out all over the place, Add New Connection Wizard,
Phone and Modem options on a separate control panel, Internet
Connection Wizard, XP Network Setup Wizard, and separate proxy
settings in Internet Explorer.

All the stuff above is all contained in Apple's one Network control
panel, except that Apple doesn't provide wizards for settings things
up.

most of those things you list above are in windows network control panel as
well! you sound pretty ignorant of windows- i.e. you'll make a fine,
stereotypical msce- you don't know jack diddly squat, and the mac advocates
can point to you as a 'pro' that can't keep stuff running, so why would the
average joe! :D you're also comparing different versions of windows, some
with vastly different architecture. not surprising things may be in
slightly different places.and you list stuff like network neighborhood,
which really has nothing to do with network configurations and such-
basically shortcuts to network locations.


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