Re: More virus education for Maccies

In article <1151337109.024817.258760@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Edwin <thorne25@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

But users have been the same since before computers, and can be
expected to be the same afterward.

I would expect no such thing. I would expect a computer user to learn
and grow through using a computer.

As individuals, perhaps -- but I was speaking of the set of users
overall. There are still kids who put inappropriate objects in the VCR
-- just as there were ten years ago. Overall, people still do foolish
things and they don't learn very quickly.

The computer today is capable of protecting the user from foolish
activity -- and under Mac OS, it does that. It should be doing the same
under Windows, and it does not.

Mac OS X has no more ability to protect its user from "foolish
activity" than does Windows. If you fall for a phishing scheme, and
give up your personal information to a bogus Web site, the Mac will do
nothing to stop you.

You are incorrect. That is a deliberate act of personal sabotage -- a
very different thing from discussing OS design.
The relevant OS aspects of the computer are protected -- at the very
least, by the difference in user permissions and access.

Again: what more support do you need of the hazards and dangers of
Windows
malware?

the malware isn't the danger, it's the careless user.
No, the malware is the danger -- the user is why it works.

And that's why it can work for any OS.
You're thinking of the same problem you gave above -- deliberate acts
of an uninformed user.
What about e-mail attachments? They are still common and they still
work, on everyone who allows it. They don't have to open the file on
their own, and they don't have to consider what it is. In OE, you can
still activate virus activity just by selecting a message to delete it,
right?

They aren't mutually exclusive concepts. But a computer today doesn't
have to provide SO MANY PROBLEMS. Windows provides those problems.

No, virus and malware writers provide the problem.
Yes, ALSO. Those wouldn't work if the Windows problems didn't make it
possible.

It should do better.

It does much better than what you make of it.

PERHAPS. But it is NOWHERE near ENOUGH!
How can I make this more clear?
If people have to install an additional tool for protection, Microsoft
screwed up. That's it -- we already know enough to say that Microsoft
is FAILING to make their OS perfectly safe.
Yet we know that they are doing much worse -- they are failing to make
their OS safe from thousands of threats -- and for this message, let's
say from hundreds of viruses.
That's too messed up. Windows users need to be demanding better, and
that wouldn't be too damn hard to provide!
.

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