Re: Climate Change Is Going TO Kill Us All...

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:55:36 -0400, ZnU <znu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:

In article <MPG.1ef93009dfb5665e98968f@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <1150233373.787063.142110@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
thorne25@xxxxxxxx says...

GreyCloud wrote:
Lars Träger wrote:

GreyCloud <mist@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Lars Träger wrote:


Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Ask the people of New Orleans if they felt like a threat to the
planet.


I asked, and they said YOU are a threat to the planet.

Really? Have any proof of that? I thought not. Just trolling away
because you have your panties in a bunch.


Just ask them yourself.

Those that continue to live down there need to grow another brain cell
and realize that New O is sinking. The fools really need to move out of
there. Yet they whine about not being able to get an insurance policy.

The majority of people in the areas that were hit the hardest are too
poor to move out.


Not true at all. People on welfare move all the time. When I was in my
early twenties I used to move with less than $100 to my name.
If you want to do something you can find a way to do it provided that
you're not too lazy to put in the effort.

Renting most apartments requires a decent sized up-front deposit --
maybe one or two months' rent. That's pretty hard if someone is living
paycheck-to-paycheck.

Your experience is skewed by living in a high cost of living city.
Most places you can get into a low cost apartment for a couple of
hundred.

As a result of being unable to afford this
up-front cost, a lot of people in really deep poverty end up staying in
flophouses which charge by the day -- this often costs *more* every
month.

Which is why you move out of them ASAP.

And since they typically won't have access to food preparation
facilities, they end up eating cheap prepared food, which also costs
more, and is frequently very unhealthy. And, of course, they don't have
access to health care....

They would have the same access they did at the previous location. If
they were on Medicaid they still will be.


Of course, these people could always get better jobs. Except that they
often can't afford the education that would require.

Nearly everyone qualifies for a Stafford loan.

And they may be
severely restricted by the cost of transportation. And it's hard to find
the time to job-hunt if you're already working a couple of jobs.

Especially if you're lazy. I've been through and overcome almost
everything you've raised, ZnU. I know it can be done.


As I've said many times, the people who are chronically, desperately
poor are that way because they're extremely lazy and extremely stupid.

There are very significant barriers to rising above deep poverty.

The only barriers you have are the ones you've placed in front of
yourself.

Some
people manage to overcome them, of course, but many of the people who
don't aren't particularly stupid or lazy.

I've willing to bet that you've hardly spent any time with long term
poor people. I have. Their biggest problem is that they're lazy as
hell. Stupidity only compounds that. I should clarify. By stupid I
don't mean that they don't know anything or that they can't learn. I
mean that they have a warped view of how the world works. They refuse
to jettison this false image and adapt a realistic one no how many
times they see their way fail and other ways succeed.

It's a pretty sure bet that
there are a lot of reasonably successful people who, if they suddenly
woke up with only the resources of someone in deep poverty one day,
probably couldn't get themselves back out.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what keeps people in deep
poverty long term. Its not the lack of resources. Everyone has some
resources. Its how they use those resources that determine their fate.
The long term poor tend to think that someone should do everything for
them. The nonpoor know its up to them to help themselves. That's not
going to change no matter what their current economic situation.

This is where government has a significant role to play. Not giving
hand-outs to people who don't feel like working (of which there
certainly are some), but providing resources (education, low-cost
housing, health care, daycare, etc.) to help people who want to make
something of themselves start down that path.


You can give these people all the help in the world. It won't do any
good.




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