Re: Global warming hoax

Timberwoof wrote:

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Alan Baker wrote:


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Timberwoof wrote:



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Lars Träger wrote:





GreyCloud <mist@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:






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Much of his government funding has dried up. He has had to put his own
money, more than $100,000, into keeping his research going. If none of
his colleagues comes to his funeral, he says, that'll be evidence that
he had the courage to say what they were afraid to admit.

Which is this: Global warming is a hoax.


What exatly is he researching? Or more precicely - why does he need to
do any further studies when his result "Global warming is a hoax and
will end in 8 years max" is already standing. Do they consist of him
going to spend the rest of his days on the Bahamas waiting for them to
freeze?

As usual, you clowns resort to attacks.
The bottom line is that he is a scientist that has mentored a lot of scientists. That's your problem if you don't want to believe what he has said. I for one believe him.


Just because he taught other scientists doesn't mean that his theories are now all correct. It could be that his students built on his work, modified his theories to fit new data, and came up with new theories. Besides, "He mentored a lot of other scientists" is just an appeal to authority. It des not address the truth of what he's saying.


And neither does it mean that the rest of the scientists that agree with GW are correct.


That's not the argument I'm making. You should investigate what they're actually saying instead of making up stupid shit like this:




Don't forget that CO2 is heavier than air. So how does it get up high to cause a warming blanket around the planet?


The atmosphere is composed of N2, O2, and some other things. Since O2 is heavier, how come the O2 doesn't sink to the bottom, leaving a layer of N2 above that? Wine is made of H2O, CH3OH, and other stuff. CH3OH is heavier than H2O. How come the mixture doesn't stratify? It turns out that minor differences in the molecular masses of things don't matter much. Clouds are made of water droplets which are much denser than air, yet the droplets float.

The droplets are in a vapour and dispersed so that they can 'float'.


They are *not* in a vapour. If they were, they would be invisible.

As one who regularly finds himself inside clouds (while skiing at on Mt. Cypress in Vancouver) I can tell you that clouds consist of droplets and often frozen water, not vapour.


But notice that this water in whatever state does fall to the ground.


Yes, sometimes. It does when the droplets agglomerate into ones large enough not to be supported by the air any more. How many cloudy but rainless days have you experienced?

Of course, and I also notice that the clouds are moving by the presence of air currents. But as soon as they hit the rockies... rain!

>You don't need a computer model to
tell you that not all water droplets fall.


No, just thru observance which is what the rest of these corkscrew scientists should be doing instead of sitting at their computers all day long.




Another thing is that CO2 gets absorbed into water as well, cleansing the air.


CRC handbook of chemistry and physics, 55th edition. Physical Constants of Organic Compounds. P. C-233. Carbon Dioxide. Mol wt. 44; melting point -55.6°C (at 5.2 atm); boiling point -78.5°; solubility in water "...". Hmmm. That doesn't mean insoluble, but it means that not very much can be dissolved there. That's why we need hemoglobin to transport it in our blood.

So? It is known that the ocean holds the most CO2.



I used to go skiing and loved the smell of nice fresh air as compared to the air down near Seattle.


CO2 has an odor? Do tell!


Reading problems again?


Heat also caused the vapours to rise. But then, after a while, it rains.
Not so with O2. Still the fact remains that CO2 is quite a bit heavier than air in its natural form. That's why in the industrial arena, workers that have to enter confined areas have to have an industrial hygenist to double check the air quality before entering. We've had that trouble on board ships in dry dock where the breathable air was just used up by workers and people had to be hauled out, while the same air above in the same containment was breathable.



Next, you have to consider how different chemical substances transmit life of different wavelengths. CO2 doesn't transmit infrared. So the Earth can absorb light and get warm but cannot reradiate the heat away as well. Of course, the whole thing is a lot more complicated than that. You keep talking about how smart that particular scientist is. Do you think that maybe there's a reason that it takes smart people to think about what's going on? You should have realized before you typed it that your stratification model was so bad it was not even wrong.


And your credentials are?? That is important to be making claims.
I still hold that this GW thing is about money and nothing else. A hoax.


Given that you just declared that clouds are made from water vapour, your credentials have pretty much been exposed as worthless.

Guffaw!!! Were you dropped on your head, boy? What do you think clouds are made of?


Liquid water.


And how did it get up there?

Water vapor is invisible.


Incredible. Get out of your basement laddie.


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