Re: Global warming hoax

Timberwoof wrote:

In article <2eGdnT-bzdlFYRDZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
GreyCloud <mist@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Alan Baker wrote:


In article <Db2dnXprY9JhORDZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
GreyCloud <mist@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Alan Baker wrote:


What exatly is he researching? Or more precicely - why does he need to
do any further studies when his result "Global warming is a hoax and
will end in 8 years max" is already standing. Do they consist of him
going to spend the rest of his days on the Bahamas waiting for them to
freeze?

As usual, you clowns resort to attacks.
The bottom line is that he is a scientist that has mentored a lot of scientists. That's your problem if you don't want to believe what he has said. I for one believe him.


Just because he taught other scientists doesn't mean that his theories are now all correct. It could be that his students built on his work, modified his theories to fit new data, and came up with new theories. Besides, "He mentored a lot of other scientists" is just an appeal to authority. It des not address the truth of what he's saying.


And neither does it mean that the rest of the scientists that agree with GW are correct.


That's not the argument I'm making. You should investigate what they're actually saying instead of making up stupid shit like this:





Don't forget that CO2 is heavier than air. So how does it get up high to cause a warming blanket around the planet?


The atmosphere is composed of N2, O2, and some other things. Since O2 is heavier, how come the O2 doesn't sink to the bottom, leaving a layer of N2 above that? Wine is made of H2O, CH3OH, and other stuff. CH3OH is heavier than H2O. How come the mixture doesn't stratify? It turns out that minor differences in the molecular masses of things don't matter much. Clouds are made of water droplets which are much denser than air, yet the droplets float.

The droplets are in a vapour and dispersed so that they can 'float'.


They are *not* in a vapour. If they were, they would be invisible.

As one who regularly finds himself inside clouds (while skiing at on Mt. Cypress in Vancouver) I can tell you that clouds consist of droplets and often frozen water, not vapour.


But notice that this water in whatever state does fall to the ground.
Another thing is that CO2 gets absorbed into water as well, cleansing the air. I used to go skiing and loved the smell of nice fresh air as compared to the air down near Seattle.


Notice that large amounts of it stay in the air even when in the form of droplets or ice.


Only held up by thermal currents. That's how rain, snow and hail form in the first place. Hail is an excellent example of thermal air currents. The larger the hail stone, the more strength is in the air currents.


This is an excellent example of how you gloss over detailed explanations to come top our conclusions.


Note too, that your argument makes no sense at all, as it really boils down to you saying that CO2 only stays in the air up to some magical concentration...


Something that you obviously do not know much about.
Take a course on meteorology and you'll know.
The ocean is a huge sink for CO2 and it is obvious how it got there.


Yeah, all that carbonated water raining out of the clouds.


Heat also caused the vapours to rise. But then, after a while, it rains.
Not so with O2. Still the fact remains that CO2 is quite a bit heavier than air in its natural form. That's why in the industrial arena, workers that have to enter confined areas have to have an industrial hygenist to double check the air quality before entering. We've had that trouble on board ships in dry dock where the breathable air was just used up by workers and people had to be hauled out, while the same air above in the same containment was breathable.




Next, you have to consider how different chemical substances transmit life of different wavelengths. CO2 doesn't transmit infrared. So the Earth can absorb light and get warm but cannot reradiate the heat away as well. Of course, the whole thing is a lot more complicated than that. You keep talking about how smart that particular scientist is. Do you think that maybe there's a reason that it takes smart people to think about what's going on? You should have realized before you typed it that your stratification model was so bad it was not even wrong.


And your credentials are?? That is important to be making claims.
I still hold that this GW thing is about money and nothing else. A hoax.


Given that you just declared that clouds are made from water vapour, your credentials have pretty much been exposed as worthless.

Guffaw!!! Were you dropped on your head, boy? What do you think clouds are made of?


Not water vapour, you twit.


No, it started off as water vapour. The droplets formed afterwards.


Yes, once the water cooled and glommed onto dust. But the water in clouds is in the form of liquid water droplets.


I hope you didn't get your panties in bunch over the Sun thing.
All I did was show only the truth about what Sun was selling.


I guess you want to change the subject now that you've realized you're talking with people who know more about it than you do.

Guffaw!!! Do tell!

So why can't the weathermen predict the weather accurately then? What's wrong with those weather models they are using? And yet you expect people to believe in a phony scam where these corkscrews are predicting global warming out to 100 years and what to expect. yeah, sure.

Now the best thing you can do is to follow the money. You'll get better results if you can follow a crooks trail.


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