Re: Color management


Lars Träger wrote:
Edwin <thorne25@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Lefty Bigfoot wrote:
The fact is, color management (using the meaning
understood by those that actually use it daily and know what to
expect from it) does not exist on Windows. They have something
that they CALL 'color management' which does not function
properly, and is miles away from being complete. The
aforementioned complete lack of CMYK support is a major part of
that. You are not expected to comprehend what the above
paragraph means, so don't feel bad.

You're just a blowhard who's spouting off. You don't know even half
of what you pretend to know, so why don't you drop both the pretence
and the condescending arrogance?

For your education, in things you claim to know:

SRGB Standard: Color Management for Consumers

Not quite. "Color Management" *good enough* for Consumers.

That's your misconception, not what MS said.

and only if using sRGB. That's
a very profound limitation for someone that needs professional
quality color management.

Read above and weep.

He did and he wept - for you, because he was right.

You got it back-assward, as usual.

When someone that actually knows what they're talking about has
cause to laugh, that will be bothersome. In this case, it's
like being laughed at by a hyena at the zoo.

Read above and weep.

This CMYK you Maccies like to harp on isn't a color space, it isn't
even consistant from one printer to the next. sRGB is the only
published international standard, and it's CMYK that requires the
manual work you claim, not sRGB.

So printers print in sRGB now?

Yes, and if you had bothered to read my references, you would have
known that:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/display/color/wincolormgmt.mspx

"Epson and Hewlett-Packard have developed consumer printers that ensure
very good color matches to sRGB from display to printer."

A little time with Google also would have given you the answer:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?hexID=5672

" AdobePS drivers include full support for Adobe PostScript 3 fonts.
(The driver still supports PostScript Level 1 and PostScript Level 2
fonts.) AdobePS 4 provides full support for Windows 98 including
Windows 98 Image Color Management 2.0, full sRGB color support with
Office97, conversion of sRGB input profiles into CRDs for Windows 98
and custom paper size 1 support for Word 7.0 Page Setup Dialog."

http://www.photographical.net/scanner_profiling1_2.html

"Your scanner driver is likely to have a switch for the sRGB color
space and so is your printer driver."

Ooops, there goes your whole damn argument.

No, there you go embarrasing yourself again.

sRGB is a Color Space, not Color Management;

Well, duh! sRGB is used in Windows color management.

that goes beyond
having pictures from cheap consumer input devices look nearly the same
on various cheap consumer viewing devices. Far beyond. It includes
things like make using CMYK NOT require manual work (at least only once
in a while instead of constantly).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRGB_color_space

RGB is frequently criticised by publishing professionals because of its
narrow color gamut, which means that some colors that are visible, even
some colors that can be reproduced in CMYK cannot be represented by
sRGB. See RGB color space for the view that Adobe RGB is a preferred
standard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGB_color_space

As of 2004, sRGB is by far the most commonly used RGB color space,
particularly in consumer grade digital cameras, because it is considered
adequate for most consumer applications, and its design simplifies
previewing on the typical computer display. Adobe RGB is being built
into more medium-range digital cameras, and is favored by many
professional graphic artists for its larger gamut.

You may now explain how any of this proves George Graves right when he
wrote "Windows' color management is so primitive that its hardly worth
the name."

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