Re: [OT] Why Its Pointless To Argue With Global Warming Believers

In article <p7ju72l6nep5nabuvpv7qh9bb4nu64n035@xxxxxxx>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:43:31 -0400, TheLetterK <non@xxxxxxxx> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:36:07 -0400, Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2006 23:48:02 -0400, ZnU <znu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:

In article
<gmgraves-B6581F.18375931052006@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
George Graves <gmgraves@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <pan.2006.06.01.00.59.30.459406@xxxxxxxx>,
TheLetterK <non@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2006 20:21:39 -0400, Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:


1) They don't mind lying about their cause. In fact, they think its
a
virtue.

"In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a
bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous
obstacle
to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if
they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I
believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual
presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up
the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it
is that we are going to solve this crisis."
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/05/09/roberts/
It should be fun to watch ZnU morph this into a right wing site. 8)

This is only part of the reason. I have a college buddy who is a
researcher in another, unrelated field, but he works for a large
midwestern university and he tells me that most researchers will say
anything to obtain and/or keep a grant. Most of the people in the
earth-related sciences feel that the adage: "the squeeky wheel gets the
grease" is a fruitful avenue to persue in getting grant providers'
attentions. In other words, make whatever it is you're working on,
whether it be global warming, global dimming, the earth's core swapping
poles, ozone depletion, etc., into a potential disaster of biblical
proportions in order to scare the pocketbooks into funding your research
further. Its all about the big spin and the media is always there to
take negative news and run with it.

You guys sound like the Creationists. It's all a big conspiracy of the
scientific establishment. Right.

You're going to seriously claim that scientists never fudge their
outcomes for grant money? Get real. Its happened too many times for
anyone to believe that.


This makes sense coming from Mayor. I mean, he *is* a Creationist. But
I'd expect you to be a little smarter, George, even if your politics are
a little whacky.

LOL! So much for your powers of observation. I've said it many times
that I believe there's a natural process going on but that Darwin
doesn't even come close to explaining it. There's too many times where
things just appear in a rapid fashion for Darwin or any of its
reworkings to account for them. Right now a combo of ID and some
unknown natural process looks like it makes more sense than Darwin.

No, it doesn't. ID makes no sense in any context, or in any form.

It because of these disagreements and the lack of importance of
biological studies in most people's lives that I say we admit that
we're at loggerheads and simply disengage. We're wasting too many
resources on this fight and its getting nowhere.

There is no disagreement within the actual scientific establishment, and
while IDists and Creationists make a lot of noise, opposing them doesn't
really require a lot in the way of resources. Most of the fight may be
done already, actually. The courts established a long time ago that
Creationism wasn't science. ID seemed to some like a clever way to get
around that restriction, but has met with little success so far. I
expect we'll see the whole thing die down again for a while until the
anti-science types come up with some new scam.

Let those schools that want to teach Darwinism teach it and let those
that don''t want to not. Parents can decide which school they want
their kids in.

Biotechnology is going to be a major growth industry in the next 50
years. If the US wants to be competitive, it's not a good idea to have a
school system which doesn't teach students the basic underpinnings of
modern biology.

--
"Those who enter the country illegally violate the law."
-- George W. Bush in Tucson, Ariz., Nov. 28, 2005
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