Re: GG is wrong - Again! [was Re: Color management]


Tim Murray wrote:
On May 31, 2006, Edwin wrote:

George Graves wrote:
In article <MEqeg.4335$q13.70467@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
NRen2k5 <nomore@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Steve Carroll wrote:
Similar to how Core Audio works... and these are the kinds of things I
love about OSX. Hmmm, I wonder if Vista will go this far? If it can't,
I'll not even so much as look at it... no way I'm parting with great
functionality just to deal with a bunch of security issues... screw that.

In Windows, we fix things like these ourselves.

We don't count on our OS to screw them up for us like John does.

- NRen2k5

Windows' color management is so primitive that its hardly worth the name.

You're back to telling that lie again? Time to shoot it down again:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/display/color/default.mspx

"Color management technologies in the Microsoft Windows operating
systems help users to consistently reproduce color across scanners,
cameras, displays, printers, and applications. Windows Image Color
Management (ICM) 2.0 is the API that applications use to take advantage
of color management capabilities in Windows."

"Windows supports using color profiles that comply with ICC.1:1998-09
File Format for Color Profiles to support flexible, state-of-the-art
color control. Color Test Kits from Microsoft are provided to help
manufacturers validate color management capabilities in the development
process."

"sRGB Color Space Profile. sRGB is the default color space in Windows,
based on the IEC 61966-2-1 standard. An sRGB-compliant device does not
have to provide a profile or other support for color management to work
well."

http://nikondigital.org/news/ms_color_cpl/readme.htm#Using%20the%20Software

"The Microsoft Color Control Panel Applet for Windows XP provides a
centralized way to manage ICM 2.0 color settings, install and uninstall
color profiles, and associate color profiles with devices. It also
provides the ability to view a 3D plot of the color gamut represented
by a color profile, and to visually compare two profiles. If you are
using a display calibration tool, you can also set up reminders to let
you know when it may be time to recalibrate your display."


http://safari.peachpit.com/?x=1&mode=section&sortKey=title&sortOrder=asc&view=


&xmlid=0321334272/ch02&k=20&g=&catid=&s=1&b=1&f=1&t=1&c=1&u=1&r=&o=1&n=1&d=1&p

=1&a=0&page=0

"Chapter 2. Color Management in Windows XP
In this chapter, you'll learn about the benefits of having color
management functionality built into .he operating system; how to assign
profiles to devices, such as displays and printers, from within Windows
XP; how the Color control panel in Windows XP centralizes the setup of
color management settings; and the difference between applications that
use color management in the operating system and those that implement
their own color management"


Be careful where you aim.

You too. You should have read my references before you spouted off.

Windows GDI doesn't output CMYK;

Yes it does.

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/display/color/icmwp.mspx?pf=true#icmfig3

it converts it to RGB,

It converts it to sRGB, but ICC profiles can be made for CMYK.

"SRGB Standard: Color Management for Consumers
Hewlett-Packard and Microsoft helped to develop and drive the sRGB
color space as a published international standard (IEC 61966-2-1). In
the most basic sense, when the operating system, devices, and
applications support sRGB, the result is a simple, easy-to-use solution
that works for many kinds of hardware and software that historically
have been unable to represent color in a consistent manner without
direct user intervention.

The sRGB color space offers these benefits:

· Eliminates the need for device-specific ICC profiles, a particular
advantage for consumer applications

· Enables an improved method for handling color in the operating
system and on the Internet

· Provides good-quality color representation on monitors, with
minimum transmission and system overhead

· Enables support with minimum cost to software and hardware vendors
because it is based on the calibrated, colormetric RGB color space of
high-definition television


sRGB color management provides a simple, robust system in which device
vendors and content creators are responsible for converting content
into and out of sRGB prior to exchange. sRGB is the ideal color space
for monitors because it assures a uniform tone, making it also ideal
for display-centric solutions such as the Web.

Because sRGB is the only color space for multiple devices that is a
published international standard, it is the best solution for exchange
in multiple-media and multiple-device environments. This standard is
being broadly adopted:

· Companies that have adopted it as a default include Adobe, the
World Wide Web Consortium, Hewlett-Packard, Microsoft, Fuji, Sony,
Mitsubishi, Barco, Agfa, and other vendors.

· Epson and Hewlett-Packard have developed consumer printers that
ensure very good color matches to sRGB from display to printer.

· Content is broadly available in sRGBfor example, all consumer
digital cameras convert JPEG content to sRGB prior to export."

other than EPS files,
which pass through unharmed. If you want to want print CMYK, you have to go
around Windows and write your own PostScript at the application level -- you
can't even use Windows PostScript driver.

You're wrong... much to Alan Baker's embarrassment, after he rode your
coattails.

http://www.silverfast.com/show/cmyk/en.html

http://www.adorama.com/IFJPCMYK.html

http://www.ecolortools.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cat=7

.

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