Re: New Patch Fixes 43 Flaws In OS X, Many Serious

"GreyCloud" <mist@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Daniel Johnson wrote:

That it does not persuade you means little; nothing
can ever persuade you.

Not from your position of ignorance.

Do you supose someone else's position of
ignorance would be better? :D

[snip]
Briefly, Unix does not do anything to block viruses that
Windows does not also do. It does have some features
useful in this regard- discresionary access control is the main
one- but Windows has that too.

Then where are the viruses for OS X?

There are very few.

So far... none.

Not quite. The recent iChat virus also had a conventional
"app-infection" vector. It was a virus if anything was.

Why? Because it is just too difficult to engineer.

No. It's been done, and nothing special was
required to do it.

It is so much easier for the script kiddies to get their rocks off hacking
and making viruses for windows.

It is far more profitable.

[snip]
What I have stated are simply facts. You cannot
wish them away.

I don't need to wish anything away. So far,
Windows viruses: 114,000 vs OS X: 0.
The facts do speak.

Those are slight exaggerations of the facts, but close
enough, I think, to require explaination.

Yet there are simple, obvious explainations that
require no invisible magic pixie dust in OS X.

[snip]
Very likely; in an interactive system you'd get tired of
thrashing long before reaching the hard limit.

Which means I haven't seen this thrashing on OS X (Unix) yet.

I expect you have not seen this happen on either OS X or Unix;
you really have to pound.

Indeed, in the case of OS X, there's little question that this
is a nonproblem. Not all design flaws *matter* in all
cases, after all.

[snip]
It is not likely to be able to log *anything* until it frees some swap
up. But after blowing up some programs, it will certainly try to
log the problem.

An unlikely scenario. Are you SURE you aren't an MSCE??

I are! but it's MCSE, and it was a long time ago; I got certified
for Windows 3.0.

I do hope posterity will forgive me. :D

[snip]
A time machine or a mad bomber. What Unixes (and Unix-
compatibles) do in this situation is to kill processes.
This frees memory so that the surviving programs can
continue.

Sounds to me like you are making all of this up.

I know. Yet it is quite true.

Doesn't even remotely come close to what Rago had written on how fork()
works and how memory is allocated.

I can't speak to Rago. But a long time ago this was not true; the
original few versions of Unix ran on machines without MMUs
and they actually made real, true copies of the process at
fork() time. Perhaps Rago's book is very old.

[snip]
You did not quote any book, as far as I can see.

I did. And, I'll give it to you again:

"Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment" 2nd Edition,
W. Richard Stevens & Stephen A. Rago.
ISBN: 0-201-43307-9

Oh, you mean you quoted the *name* of the book. My mistake.

[snip]


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