Re: VISTA is nice!
- From: orthocross@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:00:08 -0700
On Thu, 25 May 2006 02:10:39 -0400, ZnU <znu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <gbu872593u9drckn3lj91j013vtbfh3unm@xxxxxxx>,
orthocross@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Sun, 21 May 2006 12:52:24 -0400, ZnU <znu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <1148150862.272770.14880@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Super Spinner" <Pepe.Smythe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mitch wrote:
In article <me-349D1E.21020319052006@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Mike
<me@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
How can it be vaporware? I have it here. Public,
widespread Beta 2 in about 2 weeks.
Agreed -- vaporware is too strong a classification. There
apparently is something that could be released If we assume
Microsoft is not run by fools, then why would what you have now
represent Vista as it is going to be released, when Microsoft
doesn't think it's going to be ready before about November? It's
just too hopeful for me to accept -- I can't see this 'public
preview' as really representing Vista.
If Vista is vaporware, then so is OS X 10.5.
Agreed. But since Apple has provided regular improvements to
it's OS, in a much more timely manner, and has not removed major
components promised, it's not very informative to recognize that
fact.
To be fair, Apple doesn't promise anything. We have no idea how
many features have been cut from each of the 0.1 incremental
updates. It could be that many of 10.5's features were supposed
to be in 10.4, but were cut and delayed to 10.5. And since 10.0
was released, Apple started on itncremetal update strategy, which
makes it easier to release "in a timely manner", since the changes
are relatively minor.
Read what Brad Wardell has to say regarding this:
http://www.wincustomize.com/articles.aspx?aid=117896&c=1 "However,
where Leopard will be the 5th revision of a very modern OS
architecture, Windows Vista will be a brand new OS designed to
look like previous versions of Windows. Windows Vista is a major
change from Windows XP. It is not as much of a departure as MacOS
X was from OS9, but it is a much bigger change than Windows XP was
from say Windows 2000."
Um. What? This is just incredibly wrong. The major Windows rewrite
(re-implementing a big chunk of the system on top of .NET and
replacing the UI model first introduced with Windows 95) was
supposed to come with a system code-named Blackcomb, in 2002-2003.
Blackcomb was pushed back several years, and Microsoft inserted an
intermediate release called Longhorn (Vista's codename) between XP
and Blackcomb, originally set to ship in 2002. Vista itself was
never supposed to be a major re-write, and has, in fact, turned out
to be even less than what Microsoft was originally planning, as
significant features have been cut to try to stop the release date
from slipping further.
In January, Blackcomb was renamed "Vienna", and its estimated
release is 2009-2012. Microsoft had added an additional interim
release, codenamed "Fiji".
Vista is Windows XP with a new graphics engine, a new skin, some new
security-related features, and .NET bundled, instead of only
available as a separate download. It is *not* in any sense a brand
new operating system. The difference between XP and Vista is more
like the difference between OS X 10.2 and 10.4.
No matter WHAT you want to call Vista, it's HERE NOW. Microsoft
announced the PUBLIC availablility of Vista Beta 2 to the general
public this morning.
You Windows fanboys can't have it both ways. If the current beta is
close to what Microsoft plans to ship next year, Vista is, by several
accounts, even less impressive than what everyone expected. If the beta
isn't very close to the final release, then Vista isn't exactly here
*now*, is it?
(by the way, WHERE is the Beta for OS X Leopard, huhhhh?) I guess
Bill kind of scooped Mr. Jobs, didn't he?
Apple's shipping operating system isn't five years old; they're not
desperate enough that they feed a need to deal out betas to everyone's
grandmother to prove they can actually still write code.
Oh, come on, Znu. You know better than to lie to me. I will see
right through your lies every time.
1) I am NOT a "Windows fanboy".
2) I AM an "Computers and Operating Systems" advocate, NOT a Wintel OR
Apple advocate.
3) I know that Microsoft has NEVER been "desperate", as you describe
them. Microsoft has been continuing to make billions selling its most
popular product, XP. Why should they (at least using YOUR "logic")
even care whether a few customers even want something different by
now. But the truth is, they DO. They spend billions of research
dollars finding OUT what their customers (all of them, not just a few)
want. And they incorporate those choices into their products.
4) I know that Microsoft cares enough about it's customers to offer
then CHOICES, not "take it or leave it, in your face" deals, as
unnamed manufacturers do.
5) I honestly admit, to anyone willing to listen, that I prefer my
Intel iMac over ANY OTHER computer I have EVER owned. I ALSO admit to
anyone willing to listen that the OS X desktop kind of makes me sick
to my stomach, in SPITE of the great hardware platform it runs on.
Now, if you can get those 5 simple facts into your head, we will
communicate much better.
--
Donald L McDaniel
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so that the conversation may continue undisturbed.
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