Re: War on the Wintrolls


"Snit" <SNIT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"TheLetterK" <non@xxxxxxxx> stated in post
pan.2006.05.18.02.38.02.42697@xxxxxxxx on 5/17/06 7:38 PM:

Don't worry--you'll get tired of it again in 2-3 years. OS X has some
very
fundamental problems, in both the UI and in the underlying technology.

Such as?

Trying to meld the Nextstep UI with the Mac OS UI, for one. Causes quite
a few UI inconsistencies, that. OS X's interface is actually rather
schizophrenic compared to something like GNOME--it takes random concepts
from Nextstep (like, say, the dock) and marries them to seemingly random
concepts from Mac OS (like, say, the Mac OS style menu bar).

How are the dock and the menu inconsistent?

With the examples cited above, you end up having Mac OS's
document-oriented
menuing system combined with Nextstep's atrocious window management.
Sure,
Apple put together a kludge to alleviate the immediate symptom
(Expose)--but a
more elegant (and intuitive) solution would have been to simply fix the
underlying UI inconsistency that causes the problem in the first place.

What inconsistency?

Don't even get me started on the stupidity of Apple's decision to use XNU
for OS X's kernel. They would have been much, much better off using a
real
BSD kernel.

In your opinion.

Users just don't realize it for awhile. Apple's philosophy regarding
software design and pricing isn't exactly endearing either.

Well, that's a personal matter, isn't it? I mean, if one takes the
attitude (as I do) that Macs cost what Macs cost, and don't pay too much
attention to it, then Apple's pricing doesn't mean too much.

If you don't care about pricing, the pricing doesn't matter? How
profound.
I think I now understand why Apple has 3% of the desktop PC market.

I do care about pricing. Apple offers me better value. You may decide
differently... so be it.

I switched to
Mac. Then figured out it was a waste of money and switched to Linux.

Interesting. I tried Linux and figured out that its a waste of my TIME:

Me too, George.


1) Steep learning curve

Less steep than OS X, really. If I handed someone a pre-installed Ubuntu
or SuSE box, I'd lay good money on a new user figuring out how to work
with it before they would OS X on a new Mac.

I had absolutely no trouble with the OS X learning curve. I was up and
running within minutes, while I could waste a whole day trying to figure out
Linux.


You have nothing to back that up though, do you? Not a shred of evidence.

2) Real "geeky" UI

"Geeky" AND confusing.


How so?

3) Very little results - I.E. essentially no major software, and Linux
equivalents are feature poor

Most of the people I hear complaining about OSS software make the claim
that the UIs are bad, not that the applications are lacking features. Can
you cite some examples (maybe four or five major Linux applications that
are lacking major features compared to their Windows or OS X
equivalents)?

Does Gimp have anything like "smart objects"? I do not know.

Does OO.o have *real* MS Office compatibility. Last I used it the answer
was no. Like it or not that is important.

In addition, OO.o has no PIM/email/Usenet client as Office does. Too bad
that Sun decided to remove the email client when they "improved" Star Office
and renamed it OpenOffice.


What does Linux have to compare with Dreamweaver? Flash? Illustrator?
iLife?

Is that a "rhetorical" question?


, slow to get problems corrected,

Uhh, what world are you living in? Even wintrolls hesitate to say that
OSS
software (on the whole) has a slow release cycle.

Slow release cycles and slow to get problems solved need not be the same
thing.

and suffer
from the well known "too many chefs in the soup" syndrome.

My brother and I get in constant arguments because of that syndrome (but in
the kitchen, rather than the office).


Can you support this claim? OSS has a different development model, yes.
GNU/Linux also tends to be a fairly chaotic platform, as a whole. But
there are a lot of advantages to going in every direction at once.

There are also downsides... such as much less consistency which leads to a
harder to use system.

Not cutting it down, mind you, just didn't like it.

Just like how I think OS X is, at best, a mediocre operating system.
Certainly not worth paying Apple's premium for it.
X
"Premium"? $129 for an off-the-shelf copy of OS? When XP Retail costs
anywhere from $199 (for Home) to $299 (for Pro)?

A "free" OS is worth exactly what you pay for it, in my opinion. And it
really isn't so "free", anyway, when one factors in the download time to
download a minimum of 3 CD images, and burn them to a CD, and the EXTRA
download time (as well as the stress) to re-download them, when your
download goes wild, and you wind up downloading a crapped out image rather
than an OS. And not to mention the unresolved dependances from missing
files.

And then the commandline configuration for hardware without Linux drivers
which one must be punished with because of downloading a "free" OS. And the
recompiling of the Kernal when you finally find a driver for that hardware,
cause the OS you downloaded doesn't include it in the pre-compiled Kernal.

Man!!! What a bitch young Linus created and handed to the world.

Like all bitches, just toss it out the door once and for all, and have done
with it, and never look back.

Nuff said.

--
Donald L McDaniel
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