Re: iMac G5 Ram

Michelle Ronn <micron@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > you are even having trouble with the word "will" and "never". sure
> > factory ram can have problems, it's really no different than 3rd party
> > ram in this case. it's just not a large enough problem to worry about
> > in this day and age.
>
> Given enough time, even solid state electronics will fail.

yeah, i have a 128K mac right here, upgraded to 512K, and some twenty
years later it still shows 512K, how long do you think i should wait
before I agree with you?

> > yes, but ram vendors sell to "spec", that's why I don't have trouble...
> > they only sell items that fully meet manufactures specs, that's why
> > it's a no brainer to go for lowest cost when it's sold as fully "mac
> > certified".
>
> Show me memory that is sold as "mac certified". You have failed to do so.

I already have, 18004Memory states that which each certified memory
module. Check it and see...

http://www.18004memory.com/category.asp?catid=9

> Memory that meets the same requirements as what the manufacturer sells
> will not be cheap. In fact, it will be in the highest price tier.

you've been fooled, admit it...

> > depends on the mb, the g5's are quite tolerant.
>
> Actually, it depends on the memory controller. It is a component on the
> main board.

duh!

> > yes, and I don't buy from OMNI because of that... I only buy Fully Spec'd
> > ram.
>
> Um, you stated that you went to the site, and selected the cheapest
> memory. I did exactly that. Now you change your story. How convenient.

it has to be fully certified, some of omni's is, some is not.

> >> What does that tell you?
> >> 1) You are completely wrong. At least 1 manufacturer "compatible RAM"
> >> tells you that there is a difference between what they have and what
> >> the manufacturers sell.
> >> 2) They claim that the RAM is Guaranteed compatible, but if it does not
> >> work in your system, then you replace it at your own expense.
> >>
> >> Sounds like a lot of hassel, doesn't it?
> >
> > When you don't know what you are doing, yes. But since I've been buying
> > and installing ram for 22 years, I have advantage that you simply don't.
>
> Guess you have been doing it wrong for 22 years then. Even monkeys
> learn from their mistakes.

then why haven't i been finding the problems that you "claim" to be
widespread if you venture outside apple branded ram? why is that? why is
that?

> > About 1 in 80 dimms will be problematic, so paying massive amounts
> > extra for that "1 dimm" is pretty foolish. I thought you didn't buy
> > from Crucial, so now you are a liar as well?
>
> 1) you made that number up.
> 2) I don't purchase memory from Crucial, which is the retail arm of
> Micron by the way. That was a hypothetical example in order to
> illustrate a point. Obviously, a point that you missed.

that number is about right, i have perhaps 2 problems a year, there
would be no reason to lie.

> > It is the same as Apple is selling, it's fully spec'd to be the same,
> > sure you are going to get a bad dimm once in awhile, and that is true
> > for apple as well. It sounds like you've been duped for years on this
> > topic, and my info is making you upset. You were the fool until now,
> > not me.
>
> No, it is not the same memory as Apple is selling. Your sites clearly
> document this. I suggest you read them.

it's the same stuff, you are just embarrassed that you've been rooked
all these years.

> > Certified means the process matches the 6 or 7 electrical requirements
> > in the developer specs, in other words, it's "Certified" to work.
>
> Where does it say this? Provide a link. What are the "6-7 electrical
> requirements in the developer specs".
>
> I think you made that up as well.

100% certified, means it meets "100%" of apple's published specs. since
apple doesn't publish more than 6 or 7 needed criteria you know you are
safe.

> > that's funny, it says right when you choose the qty needed:
> >
> > 512MB MODULE FOR APPLE IMAC G5 PC3200 DDR *100% SPEC CERTIFIED*
> > THIS IS A 512MB DDR 3200 184 PIN DIMM. **THIS MODULE IS CERTIFIED TO
> > MEET ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS INTENDED BY THE ORIGINAL MANUFACTURER
> >
> > looks like you don't know where to look.
>
> Nope. I saw that. I also see no definition of "100% SPEC CERTIFIED".
> The only definitions that I do see on their site state that they
> basically do not guarantee anything. So what is it, is it certified to
> the specification, or is it not? What specification are they certifying
> to? Is it just something like PC-3200 (which is not a complete
> certification) ?

look again: Hint: it's on the 1st line. wow, you really don't want to
understand this subject!

> What are their certification procedures.? The site and warranty
> policies contradict themselves. To make it even funnier, they label
> generic RAM as 100% SPEC CERTIFIED.
>
> If you have been doing this for 22 years, you would also know better
> than to ASSUME anything.

I know what works, you don't... since you continue to claim of potential
problems when there are none.

> > yes, that's the blanket statement for all ram, every manufacture has
> > that, even apple. but when you buy a "specific mac module" you see that
> > it is fully apple spec'd.
>
> Um, no they do not. If I upgrade an Apple ROM, and I have problems with
> RAM that I purchased from Apple, they are on the hook to replace it.

that's extremely rare and has never, ever cause memory problems as a
result.

> > yes, it all boils down to you like to waste money, I do not, so that
> > ends this conversation. see ya!
>
> It all boils down to the fact that all memory is not the same. You take
> a calculated risk when you save money. I would argue that it is a wise
> risk in most cases. However, this does not make all memory the same.

yes, and I never claimed all memory is the same, i just find the best
deals on memory that fully meets apple's spec and be done with it, you
seem fixated on taking zero risk and paying out the wahzoo for it.

> > ps: apple upgrades their BIOS? god you are an idiot!
>
> You should know better than this by now:
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60408
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75132

but that is not termed "BIOS" in the apple world and that's my point.

> It is not common, and there is nothing wrong with updating a BIOS. It
> is a good thing actually, because it is easy for a user to do.
>
> So yes, MORON, Apple does upgrade their BIOS from time to time. I
> believe there was one for the Powerbook to update to Panther, but I
> couldn't find the link, and did not look all that hard for it.

apple has never upgrade their BIOS :) you clearly don't understand apple
terminology do you?
.

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