Re: Vista beta vs. OSX

In article <BFBDAF7D.65A0%orthocross@xxxxxxx>,
Donald <orthocross@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 12/7/05 5:40 PM, in article 1h78c9u.1q71aaga1fwgpN%Lars.Traeger@xxxxxxxx,
> "Lars Träger" <Lars.Traeger@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > ZnU <znu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >> <gmgraves-16923F.16402802122005@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >> George Graves <gmgraves@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <dmq3fg$c67$4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >>> "Elizabot v2.0.2" <Elizabot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So are we all a product of incest, according to the Bible?
> >>>
> >>> Apparently so.
> >>
> >> The claim is that harmful recessives hadn't entered the gene pool yet,
> >> so there was nothing that made incest a particularly bad idea. This
> >> claim makes sense, actually... if you've already accepted the rest of
> >> the ludicrous story, of course.
> >>
> >> Of course, if humans were created genetically perfect, it does raise the
> >> question of how we ended up with so many harmful recessives just 6000
> >> years later. Must have been the devil.
> >
> > Was that before or after he invented Evilution?
>
> That human beings were created "genetically perfect" is a supposition of the
> Far Right and the Far Left.
>
> No reasonable Christian believes that Adam and Eve were "genetically
> perfect" (such language is not anywhere in the Text), nor do they even
> believe that Adam and Eve were born "perfect" (in the sense in which God
> Alone is Perfect).

First of all, the term "reasonable Christian" is an oxymoron. Secondly,
anyone who believes the "Adam and Eve" story is a moron without the
"oxy" part!

> Adam and Eve were given all the genetic qualities of all human beings
> (including their children, ourselves.) But their "genetic slate" was
> "clean" (that is, there had been no time for breakdowns in their genetic
> structure to take place. Their genes were just as they had been the
> nanosecond after they had been originally created.) This obviously has
> taken place in the millennia (or however long) since the original Event.

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Probably, 99%+ of all
human genetic code predates the species by eons. Hell, almost half your
DNA you have in common with a banana, fer crissake. Remember man wasn't
just planted here like a geranium, human evolution took place over
millions of years with many genetic dead-ends before Cro-Magnon man
appeared on the scene.
>
> That humanity was not created "perfect" is borne out by the Text, which
> tells us that God said that all He had created was "very good." (NOT
> "perfect").
>
> God Alone is "perfect", both morally, and in His Nature and Substance.
>
> Mankind can NEVER be "perfect" unless they take on His actual Nature and
> Substance. We CAN be perfected morally, to an extent, while we are on the
> Earth, but NOT in our Nature and Substance (which is "dirt and mud".) In
> fact, our Nature and Substance will ALLWAYS be "dirt and mud". When (if) we
> enter into Eternal Life with Christ, we are given a new nature, in a way.
> That is, we are enabled, by the indwelling Holy Spirit, to share in His
> Divine Nature, in that our bodies cease to corrupt (that is, break down into
> their constituent elements.) as quickly.

He PREACHES! Somebody get me a harpoon, so that I can deflate this whale!

> All men will die (return to the dust and mud [the constituent elements] from
> which they were created.) But our spirits will return to the Creator Who
> gave them, and our souls will either be stored in His Presence or placed in
> Prison, for the Final Judgment. If we remained "In Christ" until our
> demise, our souls will be joined to our spirits, and God will create new
> bodies for them. That body will not be subject to corruption, since God
> Himself will keep it alive for Eternity.

Yaddah, yaddah, yaddah. Tell me what are you Christers gonna do in
heaven for all eternity? Sit around and contemplate you navel - wait,
you won't have a body, so you won't have a navel. Lesseee, no computers
in heaven, that lets surfin' the web and wasting time on UseNet out. No
cars, ***! I can't even drive fast. No TV or radio in heaven, I
suspect. I doubt if heaven has a decent library - or any, for that
matter. Copulating, being a sin, is out too I'd suspect. Sounds like a
pretty boring place to me. And for all eternity, too. Tsk, tsk.
>
> If we did NOT remain "in Christ" until our demise, God will allow the Demons
> to take our souls (God Himself will keep our spirits) for punishment until
> the Final Judgment.

Whoopee! I can hardly wait (Yawn).

> During the Final Judgment, each man's spirit and soul will be weighed
> against God's Law. If a man's spirit has been permeated with the Holy
> Spirit, and His soul has been renewed through the abiding Word of God, that
> man's spirit and soul will be joined to a new body, and he will enter whole
> into God's "Immediate Presence", where he will remain for Eternity Future.
> In addition, he will share in the Divine Nature of Christ Himself through
> the indwelling Spirit of Holiness. To top it all off, he will be able to
> actually share in the Divine Vision of the Father Himself.

Wow! I wonder if that Divine Vision is better than "I Love Lucy" re-runs?
>
> On the other hand, if a man's spirit never was joined to the Spirit of God,
> and his soul was dirtied through breaking of God's Law (even once), he will
> be given over to the Demons once again, this time for Eternity Future. He
> will not be given a new body, nor will God return his spirit to him. He
> will be a disembodied soul for Eternity Future in the place called "Hell",
> being tortured by the Demons forever.

Whataload of crappola. You actually believe this juvenile nonesense?
>
> Not a very satisfying ending for any man's life, I am sure you would agree.

Neither one is very satisfying to a modern human. Now 2000 years ago
when the average Joe's life was a short, endless burden of toil and
misery, such a vision of paradise might have been appealing (as in the
end to his endless drudgery) but frankly, these days, most people's
current lives are more interesting and fulfilling than this vision of
"Paradise."

> There is a third possibility (although this is just my opinion):
> the case of a man whose spirit WAS joined to the Spirit of Holiness during
> his lifetime, while his soul was dirtied by breaking of God's Law; his soul
> will be fully cleaned at that time, and he will suffer the same fate as his
> other Christian brothers and sisters: That is, his now-cleansed soul will
> be joined to his God-impregnated spirit, and they will be joined to a new
> body, and he will enter into Eternity Future with the rest. He himself will
> receive no other reward from God. He may not receive the rewards his other
> brothers will receive, other than eternal life with the Father (this might
> include such things as not being able to see the Father Himself, or being
> the "door keeper" in the Holy Temple in Heaven rather than one of Christ's
> co-rulers.)
>
>
> ALL OTHERS will suffer the same fate as the ones who do not inherit Eternal
> Life: That is, their souls will be handed back over to the Demons for
> Eternity Future.
>
> This includes all unrepentant "christian" sinners (breakers of the Law who
> claim to be "followers of Jesus" [which pretty much includes all American
> "christians" of whatever denomination or 'non-denomination']), all Muslims,
> all Satanists (of any kind), all witches, all warlocks, all sorcerers, all
> Wiccans , all Buddhists, all Hindus, all pagans, all Mormons, all heretics,
> all liars, all hypocrites, all spirit worshippers, all Spiritualists, all
> Sikhs, all Madame Bataslavists, all "Jeffersonians", all "Democrats", all
> "Republicans", all "Christian Democrats", all "Libertarians", all
> "libertines", all "prudes", all "Puritans", all "Presbyterians", all
> "Baptists", all "Assemblies of God followers", all "Pentecostals", all
> "'Bible-christians'", all "left-wing 'christians", all "right-wing
> 'christians'", all "Communists", all "Socialists", and if there be any other
> thing a man can worship other than the Creator, His Son, and Their Spirit,
> those "gods" also, etc, etc, etc. Especially all media analysts and other
> Holywood-types.
>
>
> That is, only those who are joined to Christ at the time of their demise
> will inherit Eternal Life with the Godhead. This is the promise of the Holy
> Apostles, the Lord Jesus and the Holy Angels, the Holy Prophets, and the
> Patriarchs before them, as well attested in the Judeo-Christian Scriptures.
> ALL others will be given over to the Demons for the Judgment of God for
> Eternity Future.
>
> This is my understanding of traditional Orthodox dogma (the traditional
> Historical teaching of the Church of Jesus Christ.) Perhaps I have
> misunderstood. If I have, I am sure someone will correct me, since I am
> sure at least ONE Eastern Orthodox believer may read this.

Why don't you just become a preacher? Maybe you can find someone who
actually is interested in hearing this claptrap. Because I'll tell, you,
you're just wasting bandwidth with it here.

--
George Graves
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