Re: Vista beta vs. OSX

On 12/7/05 5:40 PM, in article 1h78c9u.1q71aaga1fwgpN%Lars.Traeger@xxxxxxxx,
"Lars Träger" <Lars.Traeger@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> ZnU <znu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <gmgraves-16923F.16402802122005@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> George Graves <gmgraves@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <dmq3fg$c67$4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>>> "Elizabot v2.0.2" <Elizabot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So are we all a product of incest, according to the Bible?
>>>
>>> Apparently so.
>>
>> The claim is that harmful recessives hadn't entered the gene pool yet,
>> so there was nothing that made incest a particularly bad idea. This
>> claim makes sense, actually... if you've already accepted the rest of
>> the ludicrous story, of course.
>>
>> Of course, if humans were created genetically perfect, it does raise the
>> question of how we ended up with so many harmful recessives just 6000
>> years later. Must have been the devil.
>
> Was that before or after he invented Evilution?

That human beings were created "genetically perfect" is a supposition of the
Far Right and the Far Left.

No reasonable Christian believes that Adam and Eve were "genetically
perfect" (such language is not anywhere in the Text), nor do they even
believe that Adam and Eve were born "perfect" (in the sense in which God
Alone is Perfect).

Adam and Eve were given all the genetic qualities of all human beings
(including their children, ourselves.) But their "genetic slate" was
"clean" (that is, there had been no time for breakdowns in their genetic
structure to take place. Their genes were just as they had been the
nanosecond after they had been originally created.) This obviously has
taken place in the millennia (or however long) since the original Event.

That humanity was not created "perfect" is borne out by the Text, which
tells us that God said that all He had created was "very good." (NOT
"perfect").

God Alone is "perfect", both morally, and in His Nature and Substance.

Mankind can NEVER be "perfect" unless they take on His actual Nature and
Substance. We CAN be perfected morally, to an extent, while we are on the
Earth, but NOT in our Nature and Substance (which is "dirt and mud".) In
fact, our Nature and Substance will ALLWAYS be "dirt and mud". When (if) we
enter into Eternal Life with Christ, we are given a new nature, in a way.
That is, we are enabled, by the indwelling Holy Spirit, to share in His
Divine Nature, in that our bodies cease to corrupt (that is, break down into
their constituent elements.) as quickly.

All men will die (return to the dust and mud [the constituent elements] from
which they were created.) But our spirits will return to the Creator Who
gave them, and our souls will either be stored in His Presence or placed in
Prison, for the Final Judgment. If we remained "In Christ" until our
demise, our souls will be joined to our spirits, and God will create new
bodies for them. That body will not be subject to corruption, since God
Himself will keep it alive for Eternity.

If we did NOT remain "in Christ" until our demise, God will allow the Demons
to take our souls (God Himself will keep our spirits) for punishment until
the Final Judgment.

During the Final Judgment, each man's spirit and soul will be weighed
against God's Law. If a man's spirit has been permeated with the Holy
Spirit, and His soul has been renewed through the abiding Word of God, that
man's spirit and soul will be joined to a new body, and he will enter whole
into God's "Immediate Presence", where he will remain for Eternity Future.
In addition, he will share in the Divine Nature of Christ Himself through
the indwelling Spirit of Holiness. To top it all off, he will be able to
actually share in the Divine Vision of the Father Himself.

On the other hand, if a man's spirit never was joined to the Spirit of God,
and his soul was dirtied through breaking of God's Law (even once), he will
be given over to the Demons once again, this time for Eternity Future. He
will not be given a new body, nor will God return his spirit to him. He
will be a disembodied soul for Eternity Future in the place called "Hell",
being tortured by the Demons forever.

Not a very satisfying ending for any man's life, I am sure you would agree.

There is a third possibility (although this is just my opinion):
the case of a man whose spirit WAS joined to the Spirit of Holiness during
his lifetime, while his soul was dirtied by breaking of God's Law; his soul
will be fully cleaned at that time, and he will suffer the same fate as his
other Christian brothers and sisters: That is, his now-cleansed soul will
be joined to his God-impregnated spirit, and they will be joined to a new
body, and he will enter into Eternity Future with the rest. He himself will
receive no other reward from God. He may not receive the rewards his other
brothers will receive, other than eternal life with the Father (this might
include such things as not being able to see the Father Himself, or being
the "door keeper" in the Holy Temple in Heaven rather than one of Christ's
co-rulers.)


ALL OTHERS will suffer the same fate as the ones who do not inherit Eternal
Life: That is, their souls will be handed back over to the Demons for
Eternity Future.

This includes all unrepentant "christian" sinners (breakers of the Law who
claim to be "followers of Jesus" [which pretty much includes all American
"christians" of whatever denomination or 'non-denomination']), all Muslims,
all Satanists (of any kind), all witches, all warlocks, all sorcerers, all
Wiccans , all Buddhists, all Hindus, all pagans, all Mormons, all heretics,
all liars, all hypocrites, all spirit worshippers, all Spiritualists, all
Sikhs, all Madame Bataslavists, all "Jeffersonians", all "Democrats", all
"Republicans", all "Christian Democrats", all "Libertarians", all
"libertines", all "prudes", all "Puritans", all "Presbyterians", all
"Baptists", all "Assemblies of God followers", all "Pentecostals", all
"'Bible-christians'", all "left-wing 'christians", all "right-wing
'christians'", all "Communists", all "Socialists", and if there be any other
thing a man can worship other than the Creator, His Son, and Their Spirit,
those "gods" also, etc, etc, etc. Especially all media analysts and other
Holywood-types.


That is, only those who are joined to Christ at the time of their demise
will inherit Eternal Life with the Godhead. This is the promise of the Holy
Apostles, the Lord Jesus and the Holy Angels, the Holy Prophets, and the
Patriarchs before them, as well attested in the Judeo-Christian Scriptures.
ALL others will be given over to the Demons for the Judgment of God for
Eternity Future.

This is my understanding of traditional Orthodox dogma (the traditional
Historical teaching of the Church of Jesus Christ.) Perhaps I have
misunderstood. If I have, I am sure someone will correct me, since I am
sure at least ONE Eastern Orthodox believer may read this.

--

Donald L McDaniel
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