Re: Vista beta vs. OSX
- From: Lars.Traeger@xxxxxxxx (Lars Träger)
- Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:19:17 +0100
Donald <orthocross@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 11/29/05 2:22 PM, in article 1h6t7p9.5z9udzws9dtpN%Lars.Traeger@xxxxxxxx,
> "Lars Träger" <Lars.Traeger@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Donald <orthocross@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> However, I learnt the meaning of "vaporware" long ago. Vista just doesn't
> >> fit the definition, even in its unfinished state.
> >
> > Yes, one could say it stopped being vapourware. That doesn't mean it
> > will ship next year.
No answer.
> >> And it won't be "vaporware" next year at Christmas-time, either.
> >
> > That's what Microsoft said about it 4 years ago - "next Christmas". And
> > that was before they stripped some vapourware off of it and renamed it
> > Vista. And not to mention the OS it is a stop-gap for - and which was
> > supposed to ship over a year ago.
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/07/27/microsoft_reshuffles_windows_roa
> > dmap_full/
No answer.
> > But yeah, they made it to beta. But before they made it to the
> > vapourware charts.
> >
> > 2004 - place 3:
> > http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,66195-3,00.html?tw=wn_story_pag
> > e_prev4
> >
> > "Microsoft's successor to Windows XP was originally promised to ship in
> > 2004, though the company subsequently pushed the launch date to 3015
>
> Why you should take seriously anyone's lying statement that
> "Microsoft has pushed the launch date to 3015" (a thousand years from now-
> Geeze, Man, Microsoft as well as Apple will be out of business by then.) as
> "truth", I just don't know.
It's called "humor", something Astroturfers are not known for.
> > or something. Obviously, Microsoft won't be able to finish the code until
> > it's had a peek at Apple's forthcoming Tiger.
> > Bill Restemeyer suggested it be renamed "Longwait."
> > The company also cut a core feature, a new "revolutionary" file system
> > called WinFS.
>
> Which will be released as a Service Pack when it is out of Beta by the
> summer of 2006.
Sure. Wait a sec - that will be BEFORE Vista comes out of beta, right?
Why did they "take it out" then? And what are your informations on the
new CLI they also took out?
> > Steve Story said, "WinFS has been vaporware for over a decade, and
> > recently a delay of many more years was announced. (2008 has been
> > bandied about.) Somewhere, Microsoft programmers are spending their
> > entire careers on a single piece of vaporware.""
>
> Yeh, right: Microsoft is paying thousands of programmers millions of dollars
> to continue working on something they know they will never release (the true
> definition of "vaporware"). If you believe that, you belong in a Soviet
> Communist culture.
In 2004 Vista WAS still vapourware. It's obvious you don't know what
that is. Hint: it does not mean it will never ship - because you could
never call anything vapourware, because you can never know if somebody
will not ship it in the year 3015.
> > 2003 - dishonorable mention:
> > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,61935,00.html
>
> I've never known the publishers of Wired to be anything other than Mac
> advocates. I wouldn't doubt that they bad-mouthed anything that Microsoft
> was working on.
Could it have anything to do with the fact hat Microsoft promised but
didn't ship?
Noooooooo.
> > [...] to Microsoft for [...] the ever-slipping ship date for Longhorn,
> > which is shaping up to be a very promising candidate for the Vaporware
> > awards in 2006, 2007 and maybe even 2008.
> >
> >> The fact is, Microsoft has staked billions of dollars on that so-called
> >> "vaporware". They will not fail to release it next year, on target, as
> >> they have said over and over.
> >
> > Exactly. Over and over they said it.
>
> I wouldn't exactly call any of your cited article's authors "pro-Microsoft"
> (or even "open-minded"), stud. Nor do I take your spin on them as
> "pro-Microsoft" or "open-minded".
So Microsoft never said anything about a shipping date before they
mentioned "Christmas 2006"? Damn those anti-Microsoft Microsoft PR
people.
> We will see whether Vista is released next year or not.
> But the fact remains, Microsoft and Bill Gates are betting the future of the
> company (and billions of dollars) on its release next year. Are YOU willing
> to take that bet? But remember, YOU must be willing to pay MICROSOFT those
> same billions if they DO release it next year if you want to seriously make
> that bet.
No, I'm not willing to take that bet. I'm telling anyone to sell MSFT.
> Otherwise, stop making yourself into a fool over and over.
You SHOULD take your own advice, before Bill fires you.
--
Lars T.
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