Re: A realistic price comparison

Donald L McDaniel <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > it's always been true, there was a time when IBM did some design but
> > that was years ago. Apple is the only company building quiet, easy to
> > maintain, clean internals, ease of setup, upgrading, etc. All others are
> > just slapping parts together. Look at the fit and finish on a DeLL, then
> > on a Mac, there is a VAST difference.
>
> I agree. PC designers could vastly improve the appearance and
> engineering of their cases.

how about the quietness? probably not since they don't engineer their
own power supplies, nor logicboards, but yes, they could improve the
build quality.

> > > > That's why Apple systems are the most prized in the industry, it's the
> > > > factors of careful design, strict manufacturing and attention to very
> > > > fine details that keeps Mac values high long into their life.
> > >
> > > Apple systems the "most prized in the industry"? What hogwash. If
> > > this is so, why doesn't the "industry", as you refer to it, purchase
> > > them by the container-full, and put them on their desktops by the
> > > hundreds of millions, like they do Wintels?
> >
> > ??? What? Haven't you ever used, then sold a Mac? You clearly are wrong
> > here. The same $2,000 in a Mac or a PC, the Mac will always return more
> > value in its life. I think you are confusing "job security" for "most
> > prized".
>
> What does that have to do with the fact that Apple has only a very
> small percentage of sales (almost insignificant, in fact) as compared
> with Wintels?

Apple is a rather large PC vendor, many of the so called "wintel"
machines are not used as personal computers, they are dumb terminals, so
you need to shave off about 40% of the market for uses like cash
registers, info displays, etc, that is unless you want to include TVs as
"personal computers" :)


> > > I will tell you why: Because IT purchasing execs don't make their
> > > buying decisions based on the "engineering excellence" of a particular
> > > machine. They purchase machines which will fit into their budgets.
> >
> > yes, and Apple still doesn't make an el cheapo box to compete with the
> > no-name brands, but with the Top Tier Apple is priced the same as DeLL,
> > HP, Gateway, etc.
>
> Oh, so Apple has a deal with many corporations for $699 fully-equipped
> desktops? Or even for $999 fully-equipped desktops? This is news to
> me.

Apple sells lower priced items to Business, Apple sells a $699 full
powered desktop to Business, just as they do to Schools. And (you
probably meant laptops above) they sell fully equipped $999 laptops.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=iBook

> > Well, you just don't understand what is going on here. The entire Apple
> > movement is a mission to bring power down into the hands of regular
> > people, everything you use in the PC world was first popularized by
> > Apple, then it trickled down to PCs. Yes, all computers are just plastic
> > and metal, but only Apple has a defined "social movement" behind the
> > mechanics.
>
> Oh, I understand completely. That is what concerns me the most. I see
> Apple's "social movement" in action every day in the popular culture of
> the U.S.

Why does it concern you? It's a positive movement by and large.

> > > I guess some animals like to cover up their *** after taking a dump.
> > > The moral of the story is that some people are just full of ***, and
> > > need to take a dump from time to time more often than others.
> >
> > That must be you. I learned over the years that some people just aren't
> > as evolved, so they cannot differentiate between a good quality machine
> > and a "Great" quality machine. It's of no concern to me, I just laugh at
> > people like you that lead lives of the simply "average".
>
> That is your problem, my friend. I have every right to live a life
> which is "average" if I so choose. I certainly make no value judgments
> on the qualities of your life, as you do of mine. Each man must live
> out his own destiny himself.

Fine, live an unexamined life, I really don't care.

> Whether my life is "average" or not, God knows, where ever He is. And
> I really don't believe He gives a hoot whether my life is "average" or
> not. All He cares is that I treat Him with the respect He deserves,
> follow His advice from time to time, keep my conscience clear, and
> treat others with the same respect I would want want from them.

Who is this "he"?, hate to break the news but there is no god in the
christian sense. That's just make believe from a cult dating back only a
few thousand years.

> Not only do I have every right to live the life I choose, my life is no
> less valid than yours, nor is yours any more valid than mine. We each
> were naked when we came into this world, and we will each be naked when
> we leave. Neither of us have any legitimate claims to superiority over
> the other, since we have the same blood, we drink the same water, we
> eat the same food, and we breathe the same air. We are both Children
> of the Earth. We both live under the same Sun.

yes, I don't disagree with that.

> Whether your laughter at my life is a result of your "Mac social
> agenda" or not, it is completely repugnant to me, down to the very
> spaces between the molecules which make up my being. I do not want
> such pernicious poison in my mind or heart.

then live a poor, unexamined life, i don't care. the universe is
infinitely bountiful, so limiting yourself to wintel pcs is unneeded.
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