Re: Non-existent Windows malware
- From: TravelinMan <Nowhere@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:33:24 GMT
In article <1egtk19fab6gut7sr9vjaci715q6sr0psv@xxxxxxx>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:55:58 GMT, TravelinMan <Nowhere@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <1129232325.819439.275300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > steve.travis@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> >> TravelinMan wrote:
> >> > One of our salesmen has had a problem with ad popups on his computer, so
> >> > I had a look at it. He says he didn't visit any 'bad' sites and I
> >> > believe him - particularly after what I learned.
> >>
> >> Er... shouldn't you have your IT group take a look at it?
> >
> >Happens to be in New Orleans on National Guard duty.
> >
> >>
> >> > Furthermore, we had antivirus software (Sophos) installed and kept up to
> >> > date at all times.
> >> >
> >> > First, I had to buy two different packages (Norton Internet Security and
> >> > McAfee Internet Security) since the Norton package didn't find the
> >> > problem. $190 down the drain.
> >>
> >> You should listen when people talk. You could have downloaded AVG for
> >> free and tried that out first, before you spent any monies whatsoever.
> >> Of course that would require common sense.
> >
> >Why? I thought all you Wintrolls said that fixing a virus problem was as
> >simple as installing Norton?
> >
> >>
> >> > I had to spend 2 hours on the problem. During that 2 hours, installing
> >> > and updating the software required 3 reboots (see more below).
> >>
> >> Wow...I can't believe that Oseco pays you to be the President of the
> >> company, and you waste your time (2 hours of it) futzing with a
> >> computer. Really? Sounds to me like your ass needs a hell of a
> >> demotion, to Junion IT.
> >
> >In small companies, people do what needs to be done. When the IT guy is
> >on National Guard duty, I'll do what needs to be done.
> >
> >BTW, I notice that you can't refute any of the facts here.
> >
> >>
> >> > The problem appeared to be one of the newer trojan variants that can
> >> > damage your computer just from visiting a web site. You don't have to
> >> > click on anything on the web site.
> >>
> >> The problem was that, the President of a company, was spending valuable
> >> time futzing with a PC.
> >>
> >> > Oddly, you have to install the software before you can use it. On the
> >> > Mac, almost all software can be run from the CD. Even better, you can
> >>
> >> That's because the software you bought was written by monkeys. All the
> >> software that my people develop can be run directly from the CD, USB
> >> drive, etc. No need to install anything. And by the way, I've had
> >> plenty of software for the Mac that needs to 'install' itself. Poor
> >> software developers exist for both platforms.
> >
> >Why don't you name all the complete antivirus/antispamware/etc suites
> >that can be run from a Windows CD.
>
> Norton can be for one.
Not Norton 2005. I just tried it.
> >
> >And name the software packages of ANY type for Windows that come on a
> >bootable CD.
>
> Norton antivirus. You know, the one you claimed you tried.
I did.
>
> >>
> >> > usually insert the CD and boot to startup from the CD so that you can
> >> > access all files without worrying about which ones might be open. Either
> >> > zero or one reboot, depending on whether you run from your normal
> >> > startup disk or the CD's startup disk.
> >> >
> >> > Of course, none of that time would have been necessary if he had been
> >> > using a Mac. We have one more infrastructure change to make and I just
> >> > might switch all the sales people (who need to access the Internet
> >> > remotely) to Macs. After all the PC crap they've been putting up with,
> >> > most of them are ready to change.
> >>
> >> It's about time. BTW, what kind of an infrastructure change is
> >> required to switch from PCs to Macs?
> >
> >Upgrading some software and adding a Citrix server.
> >
> >>
> >> > So much for the 'there's no malware on Windows' crap you hear here.
> >>
> >> That's never been the arguement. The arguement has been that with a
> >> little common sense you can avoid getting any malware/virus etc.
> >> However, when the President of a company spends 2 hours of his
> >> extremely valuable time pretending to be IT, one can only assume that
> >> common sense is lacking.
> >
> >Wrong. A number of the local Windiots say that there's no malware on
> >Windows or that it never gets on anyones' computer.
> >
> >As for 'a little common sense', wouldn't you think that installing and
> >updating a well-respected commercial product should be sufficient?
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