Re: Non-existent Windows malware
- From: Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:22:19 GMT
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:55:58 GMT, TravelinMan <Nowhere@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>In article <1129232325.819439.275300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> steve.travis@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> TravelinMan wrote:
>> > One of our salesmen has had a problem with ad popups on his computer, so
>> > I had a look at it. He says he didn't visit any 'bad' sites and I
>> > believe him - particularly after what I learned.
>> Er... shouldn't you have your IT group take a look at it?
>Happens to be in New Orleans on National Guard duty.
>> > Furthermore, we had antivirus software (Sophos) installed and kept up to
>> > date at all times.
>> > First, I had to buy two different packages (Norton Internet Security and
>> > McAfee Internet Security) since the Norton package didn't find the
>> > problem. $190 down the drain.
>> You should listen when people talk. You could have downloaded AVG for
>> free and tried that out first, before you spent any monies whatsoever.
>> Of course that would require common sense.
>Why? I thought all you Wintrolls said that fixing a virus problem was as
>simple as installing Norton?
>> > I had to spend 2 hours on the problem. During that 2 hours, installing
>> > and updating the software required 3 reboots (see more below).
>> Wow...I can't believe that Oseco pays you to be the President of the
>> company, and you waste your time (2 hours of it) futzing with a
>> computer. Really? Sounds to me like your ass needs a hell of a
>> demotion, to Junion IT.
>In small companies, people do what needs to be done. When the IT guy is
>on National Guard duty, I'll do what needs to be done.
>BTW, I notice that you can't refute any of the facts here.
>> > The problem appeared to be one of the newer trojan variants that can
>> > damage your computer just from visiting a web site. You don't have to
>> > click on anything on the web site.
>> The problem was that, the President of a company, was spending valuable
>> time futzing with a PC.
>> > Oddly, you have to install the software before you can use it. On the
>> > Mac, almost all software can be run from the CD. Even better, you can
>> That's because the software you bought was written by monkeys. All the
>> software that my people develop can be run directly from the CD, USB
>> drive, etc. No need to install anything. And by the way, I've had
>> plenty of software for the Mac that needs to 'install' itself. Poor
>> software developers exist for both platforms.
>Why don't you name all the complete antivirus/antispamware/etc suites
>that can be run from a Windows CD.
Norton can be for one.
>And name the software packages of ANY type for Windows that come on a
Norton antivirus. You know, the one you claimed you tried.
>> > usually insert the CD and boot to startup from the CD so that you can
>> > access all files without worrying about which ones might be open. Either
>> > zero or one reboot, depending on whether you run from your normal
>> > startup disk or the CD's startup disk.
>> > Of course, none of that time would have been necessary if he had been
>> > using a Mac. We have one more infrastructure change to make and I just
>> > might switch all the sales people (who need to access the Internet
>> > remotely) to Macs. After all the PC crap they've been putting up with,
>> > most of them are ready to change.
>> It's about time. BTW, what kind of an infrastructure change is
>> required to switch from PCs to Macs?
>Upgrading some software and adding a Citrix server.
>> > So much for the 'there's no malware on Windows' crap you hear here.
>> That's never been the arguement. The arguement has been that with a
>> little common sense you can avoid getting any malware/virus etc.
>> However, when the President of a company spends 2 hours of his
>> extremely valuable time pretending to be IT, one can only assume that
>> common sense is lacking.
>Wrong. A number of the local Windiots say that there's no malware on
>Windows or that it never gets on anyones' computer.
>As for 'a little common sense', wouldn't you think that installing and
>updating a well-respected commercial product should be sufficient?
"I have had lots of viruses on my Mac..."
"I guess you're not ...a liar"
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