Re: No it's a NEW more tiny computer !!!



imouttahere@xxxxxxx wrote:
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Surprise would be a new Ipod sized Mac Mini (but Intel/AMD CPU) like
computer with it's own clear color built in (mobile) screen and
mini-built in "thumb" sytle keyboard and INCLUDED accessories, namely a
cool external USB CD and/or DVD drive, a really small pocket but fold
out to full size keyboard, and mouse.


I like the general idea. The PC qua PC has become a dinosaur. Pros
(people making money with their machines) need personal workstations.
Game players need consoles (you could buy an xbox360 AND a PS3 with
what a new graphics card costs now... wtf).
Yeah, the top-end cards. Mid-range cards today are quite acceptable, and very resonable. Neither would I want a console. There are quite a few genres that just don't work on consoles (MMORPGs, 'True' RPGS (not that scripted action-adventure crap like Final Fantasy), Strategy games, First Person Shooters, etc.

PC users need a platform
that can web surf, email, and support other lightweight apps, and serve
as the digital nexus in the house.
Then why the hell doesn't VIA sell EPIA boards like hotcakes? They do all that, and are much less expensive than full-on desktop systems.

The answer? They don't have enough power.


Don't miss that this unit can be used mobile like a PDA (but much
better) with it's own tiny screen and keyboard and "pointy" stick but
it's a real desktop powered computer! All your data is in one place
(save your back ups.)


Yup.
I'd rather take that development money and put it towards a secure, transparent termninal system.



Then when you get to the home/office, you simply plug in your INCLUDED
full sized keyboard (that you can fold and optionally pack for mobile,)
mouse and nice large LCD/HDTV screen. Maybe an AFFORDABLE LCD home
screen should be offered as start. So nothing else to buy but the home
screen and packaged deals could also be available? See, the unit is
your desktop box too.


Sure. Supporting 1280 x 1024 external would be nice, only requires 32MB
of VRAM.
I sold my 22" LCD and went back to 17" since it was all I needed.

If this device could match my present platform (800Mhz PBG4 / 32MB
Radeon 7500) I think that would be sufficient hardware power.
It can't. At least, not for less than $1200.



How about it? Up to this challenge?


The technology would be an interesting design exercise, basically
taking the Mac mini to the next level.
Wholly different situation.


For it to work I think AppKit has to die. The OS needs to start working without having to hit the HD every second. The API needs to be lighter & tighter, more energy conscious.
Which is the exact opposite of the road that is going to be taken. CS students want easy development, not tight and fast code. Essentially "When the idea isn't sound, wait for better hardware!" is the only applicable rule.


Starting from first principles would result in a much different and more useful device.


If it's not small with tiny but clear and hi- res screen, pointer stick
and thumb keyboard PLUS under AFFRODABLE and with known open dirver
devices (there is NO good reason for a device to be close and locked
in) then sales would not be in volume (enough to be affordable for us
all but still make Apple a fortune) and you could forget this whole
thing.


I don't really see the need for open hardware standards. I don't care
about that. Linux can suck on it.
It would be rendered completely unacceptable to me, and many others were Apple to make such a choice.


I care a lot about open software standards. It's a lot harder moving apps and data between platforms.

The way I see it, Apple should move toward a lighter-weight API. I'm
getting into Javascript now and like it a lot. Objective-C with its
half-assed reference counting is just a PITA now.
This is the sort of lackluster attitude I spoke of above. You say you want 'light and tight' code. Well, you get that through 'ugly' things like manual memory management.


My vision is a device that is always a webserver, providing 24/7 PHP5 / Tomcat application serving.

Client API would be (extended) Javascript, Java, PHP.


Apple, do you want to do this before someone else does? You claim to be
best with ease, style, and the Ipod type craze. Are you willing to let
go your closed lock-in ways?


Apple has had less vendor lock than anyone. What exactly is proprietary
about the Mac? Foundation/AppKit, that's about it. AppKit is something
of a dinosaur compared to Javascript/CSS, even Apple is moving away
from it (Dashboard).
How is Dashboard evidence of this? You think Dashboard was developed using Javascript? The language used to describe widgets is not the same as the language/API used to write the engine that interprets it.



The way I see it, Apple will lose if they do not adopt more openness
and make it on hardware. How else could it be done? There's obviously
hardware preference for small Apple devices. There's also the impending
and fast progression of compleatly free and more benificial open
software (not old Linux but new complete software systems with Linux as
a part.)


Sure. Opening the SOFTWARE is more important than opening the hardware.
Opening both is important.
.



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