Re: [OT] Civil Rights End In Canada

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:00:35 -0400, ZnU <znu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:

>In article <d7vak150k5bm2njs0vsq9tnlihh11ahfv9@xxxxxxx>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 22:04:56 -0400, ZnU <znu@xxxxxxxxxxxx> chose to
>> bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >In article <5pvqj19lt725kt5bmvk6etgciplp0qcm3r@xxxxxxx>,
>> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 01:56:22 GMT, Tim Smith
>> >> <reply_in_group@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> chose to bless us with the
>> >> following wisdom:
>> >>
>> >> >In article
>> >> ><gmgraves-524084.14462629092005@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> >> > George Graves <gmgraves@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >> In article <g1moj11jg36c57lf307eam6v6fcn0gmf41@xxxxxxx>,
>> >> >> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >> > And neither you nor Tim Smith ever answered my question about
>> >> >> > this - What are you going to do for the guy who has to drive
>> >> >> > 30 miles each way to his $10/hour job when you assign all the
>> >> >> > externalities to gasoline and raise the price to
>> >> >> > $8.00/gallon? He won't be able to afford the gas or a new
>> >> >> > more fuel efficinet car. You've put him and millions of
>> >> >> > others like him out of work.
>> >> >
>> >> >Is there some compelling reason that he needs to be 30 miles from
>> >> >work? Compelling enough to shift his transportation costs onto
>> >> >others?
>> >>
>> >> Since when did anyone need to justify where they live in this
>> >> country?
>> >
>> >Huh? Assuming hypothetically that the real cost of gas is $8/gallon,
>> >then he's not justifying where he lives, he's justifying why his
>> >transportation costs should massively subsidized.
>> >
>> >If these hypothetical external costs were included in the cost of
>> >gas, he could still live anywhere he wanted to -- as long as he
>> >could afford to commute to work.
>>
>> Could he? Take California for example. Many cities there have used
>> enviromental laws to prevent the building of new housing. This has
>> sent the prices of existing housing sky high. The result is that a
>> lot of the public workers such as fire and police officers can't
>> afford to live in the cities they work in. You've effectively just
>> ended fire and police protection in many California cities as their
>> current bunch will be forced to leave the state to find affordable
>> housing nearer to their new work.
>
>But if the price of gas rose, things would adjust. That's how the
>market works, you know? Housing would be built closer to the jobs
>because that's where the demand would be, and mass transit systems
>would start looking like a better investment.

These local governments have been using enviromental laws to keep
housing prices artificially high for decades through many gas price
increases. There's no reason to believe that they would change for
this one.
You are right in that if the market were allowed to work things would
adjust out. However in this case the market is not being allowed to
function in these housing markets.

>
>Local government in most places tends to be fairly responsive to things
>like this, when they actually become major problems.

Its hard to say in this case. They'd be caught between needing local
workers and a constituency that would be screaming once their house
values started to plummet. The local homeowners can vote them out.
Most of the workers couldn't even vote in the city elections.

>
>> > Yes, it's true, this would give him less choice. But the right-wing
>> > is not generally bothered by the idea of economics limiting
>> > people's choices. In fact, the right *discourages* attempts to do
>> > anything to reduce this effect.
>>
>> Bring that up when you talk to a right winger. I don't really care
>> what they do.
>
>Just what exactly do you think you are?

I don't think I've ever come across a label that fits me very closely.




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