Re: Saw 10.4.1 Running On a PC Laptop Today

In article <0001HW.BF6023AB008D7B47F0407550@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Donald McDaniel <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:27:32 -0700, Peter Hayes wrote
> (in article <1h3jzys.1dkuqne1qkvkhsN%not_in_use@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):
>
> > TravelinMan <Nowhere@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <1h3jpcc.8xaomivdtpz4N%not_in_use@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >> not_in_use@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Peter Hayes) wrote:
> >>
> >>> GreyCloud <cumulus@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The form factor of the mini is quite decent compared to the
> >>>> big dell box.
> >>>
> >>> Corporates still have to invest $$$ in Office for Mac, which kills the
> >>> deal for them.
>
> >>
> >> They have to buy Office, anyway.
> >
> > If they replace their old Dells running Office with new Dells can they
> > load their original copies of Office on the new machines (assuming of
> > course they destroy the old copies), ie - is the Office licence
> > transferable?
>
> The Office/Windows OEM license is NOT able to be transferred to a newer PC
> (or even a different PC ), so it would not be able to be transferred to a
> different platform). In fact, ALL OEM PC licenses MUST remain with the
> ORIGINAL machines they are purchased with. To put a Microsoft license on a
> DIFFERENTcomputer of any kind, a NEW license must be purchased. I don't like
> this at all, and have been very vocal in finding fault with this in other
> newsgroups. Now, an IT exec could purchase a new license only, and use the
> same media, but the license by itself would only be around 12% lower than a
> full installation kit (and even this I'm not totally convinced would be in
> line with Microsoft's OEM licensing agreements). However, this would NOT
> allow him to install on a different platform using the same media,
> since the platforms are TOTALLY DIFFERENT. it is not possible to put a
> Windows product on a Mac, nor is it possible to put a Mac product on a PC.
> Don't believe me? Windows executables have "exe" as their file extension,
> and OSX will just protest that it doesn't recognize the file format. The
> same is true for trying to install an Apple product on a PC. They have
> different architectures and processors, which are mutually exclusive.
>
> >
> > Because, if so, then to switch to the iMini will require new Office
> > licences.
>
> It most definitely would. And NOT just Office licenses and software, but ALL
> licenses and software.
>
> Changing from PC to Apple requires a COMPLETE change of hardware and
> software, PERIOD. This makes the change from PC to Apple MUCH MORE
> EXPENSIVE. Of course, changing from Apple to PC would require a similar
> change of hardware and software, but it would less expensive, since PC
> hardware and software are generally cheaper in cost than Apple products and
> software.

Tell me again why "PC hardware and software are generally cheaper in
cost than Apple products and software."

Mac Mini with 512 megs DRAM $599
ANY USB keyboard ~$20
ANY USB mouse ~$20
ANY PC monitor ~$100
-------------------------------------------
Total: $739

Office Standard Edition for Windows - $399
Office Standard Edition for Macs - $399

Every other cross-platform available app I checked (Illustrator,
InDesign, Photoshop, ArchiCAD, etc. was likewise the same price for both
Windows and Mac versions. And in fact, Ashler-Vellum's CAD packages have
both Mac and Windows versions on the same install disc, so switching
costs nothing. Also Microsoft, Adobe, Macromedia, and others have a
platform cross-grade policy that allows one to migrate from one platform
to the other for the cost of a standard version update.

Also, NONE of my clients buy the real cheap Dells. Most corporations
here in Silicon Valley buy desktop computer systems in $800 -$1200 price
range (whether their Dells or not).

So, tell me again why Macs and the software for them are more expensive
than PCs?

> I am neither a "PC" fanatic, nor an "APPLE" fanatic, because I can see the
> advantages and disadvantages of BOTH platforms, rather than ONE side, as Mac
> Fanatics (and I admit, PC fanatics) apparently do.

Your words belie that attitude. You keep insisting that corporations buy
PCs solely on price, and several people have shown you that this is not
true. You say that Macs and their software are more expensive than PCs,
and you've been shown several times that's not true. Yet you continue to
stick with these unfounded and incorrect opinions. Seems to me like you
are trying awfully hard to put Mac at a false disadvantage in the
workplace. At the very least, you show that not only do you not seem to
know what you are talking about, but haven't spent one second trying to
check your "facts" before posting them.

I'm going only by what you have posted.
.

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