Re: Time for Edwin to get a new computer.
- From: Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 05:58:01 GMT
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:51:24 GMT, TravelinMan <Nowhere@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>In article <n2rgi19u8108mhpq4fo3rqcv18no8oham5@xxxxxxx>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:17:03 GMT, TravelinMan <Nowhere@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >In article <1126718647.308216.220490@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> > "Edwin" <thorne25@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jim Polaski wrote:
>> >> > It's time. The Dell's are 15% off on the refurbs.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.dealsontheweb.com/deal/36010
>> >> >
>> >> > Right up his cheap alley. Tommie too can get a second box.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > JP
>> >> > "The measure of a man is what he will do while
>> >> > expecting that he will get nothing in return!"
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for thinking of me, Jim, but here's where I get my PCs from:
>> >>
>> >> www.tigerdirect.com
>> >>
>> >> www.compgeeks.com
>> >>
>> >> My awesome skills, which are beyond the typical Maccie, to turn a
>> >> screwdriver, to push cards into slots, and to plug connectors together,
>> >> allow me to build PCs instead of buying them pre-built.
>> >
>> >Sorry, but you're wrong - as usual.
>> >
>> >I've built my own PCs, as have many of the 'Maccies' here.
>>
>> And you do nothing but complain about how poorly they work.
>> Coiincidence?
>
>Nope. Mine work - unlike the average homebuilt PC according to PC
>Magazine.
>
Which means you're making up all of your complaints about them.
>> >
>> >The point you keep ignoring is that it's a waste of time. You can't buy
>> >components less expensively than Dell can, so you're not going to save
>> >any money on average. (1)
>>
>> Really? I've been building my own for years and I've saved a ton of
>> money over what OEM would charge for similar machines. It true that
>> you're never going to beat the OEMs on a low end machine. but I've
>> never wanted a low end machine. Once you move into the midrange and up
>> you can easily beat the OEMs price.
>
>Let's look at it realistically. Dell (Or HP or Voodoo or whoever) buys
>many millions of components. You buy one.
But we don't buy the same component.
>
>Dell ships thousands of components at a time (reducing the cost). You
>ship one.
>
>Dell licenses the software by the millions. You buy one license.
I'm talking about the HW. A pox on most OEMs software bundles.
>
>Dell's assembly cost is something like $15 per machine. They make an
>average of 10-15% gross margin.
As if that matters here.
>Sorry, but I can't believe that you're buying the components cheaply
>enough to make the savings more than a modest (10-15% AT BEST) amount.
>In reality, given the huge volumes that Dell buys, your cost is almost
>always going to be higher.
All component prices from Newegg.com
LITE-ON Beige IDE DVD Burner Model SOHW-1693S Beige OEM - OEM
Model #: SOHW-1693S Beige OEM
$39.99
Linkworld Q319-C8888-P4 Beige Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 400W
Power Supply - Retail
Model #: Q319-C8888-P4
$38.00
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard
Drive - OEM
Model #: WD2500KS
2@ $122.00 ea
$244 total
SAMSUNG 913V-Black 19" 12ms LCD Monitor - Retail
Model #: 913V-Black
$299.99
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
- Retail
Model #: A8N-SLI Deluxe
$164.00
Leadtek PX6600GT TDH Geforce 6600GT 128MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video
Card - Retail
Model #: PX6600GT TDH
$164.00
Crucial 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered System
Memory Model CT12864Z40B.16T - OEM
2@ $105.89
$211.78 Total
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ ClawHammer 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor Model
ADA3500ASBOX - Retail
$231.00
Shipping
$52.12
Grand total:
$1437.88
I've got a ton of keyboards and mice already so I don't need any for
this machine. I've already got a legal copy of Windows so I don't need
another one for this machine.
Dell Dimension 9100
3Ghz Pentium 4
2GB RAM
250 GB HD (only one)
dual layer DVD burner
19 inch analog monitor
256 MB PCI Express x16 video card
IEEE 1394 adapter
$1965.00
You had to sign up for an account at Dell.com to see the shipping so
that is omitted.
The Dell includes a $50 rebate but I didn't include the $20 rebate on
the mobo in the price of the homebuilt.
The Dell was configured through the small business section of Dell's
website.
By not going with Dell I saved $500 and got an extra HD to boot.
>>
>> >
>> >Furthermore, if you look at the latest PC Magazine survey, they added
>> >homebuilt machines to their quality survey. Not surprisingly, the
>> >homebuilt machines had the lowest percentage that worked properly the
>> >first time of ANY 'brand'.
>>
>> Once again we have Joe refusing to back up his talk with a URL to the
>> referenced article.
>
>I read it in the print magazine. But if you insist:
>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1851291,00.asp
>
>Maybe if your preferred computer wasn't so hard to use, you could learn
>to do your own searches.
Its not my job to back up your arguments, Sparky.
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >IOW, a lot of time and effort goes into homebuilt machines,
>>
>> No it takes you a lot of time and effort. People who know what they're
>> doing take very little time and don't really find turning a
>> screwdriver to be much effort.
>
>So in your delusional world, you don't need to:
>1. do any research to find what parts to order
Since I'm interested in this stuff I read about it frequently just for
the hell of it.
>2. spend time ordering the parts
Does it really take you a long time to order stuff off of a website?
>3. Spend time unpacking the parts and assembling them
This is just pathetic.
>4. Install the software
http://www.laplink.com/promos/pcmoverzd/
>5. Fix any problems that occur
Problems? What are those?
>
>Unfortunately, in the real world, you need to do all of that.
And if you know what you're doing its not a big deal.
I still can't believe you put 'Open boxes' in that list. That's
probably about the lamest thing you've ever posted...and its got some
stiff competition.
>>
>> > with very little (if any) cost savings.
>>
>> Someone saw your price tag snob self coming and is ripping you off.
>
>Then perhaps you can explain how you get prices that are lower than Dell
>pays.
http://www.newegg.com
>
>>
>> > It's a great way for pretentious nothings
>> >to pretend that they're smarter than everyone else. In general, it
>> >proves just the opposite.
>>
>> LOL! Poor Joe. If he had a clue he could build a PC right, save a
>> bunch of money and not be so bitter towards those of us who can.
>> But instead he just goes around pretending to know things that he
>> hasn't any idea about.
>
>The PCs I build work just as well as the name brand PCs.
You couldn't prove it by your list of complaints.
> Unfortunately, that's not as well as my Macs work.
Maybe one you'll find the 'On' switch to your Mac.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >(1). That's not to say that it NEVER makes sense. For example, if you
>> >want or need some very particular components that are not commonly used
>> >by the major vendors, a home built system can make sense.
--
"I have had lots of viruses on my Mac..."
Jim Polaski
"I guess you're not ...a liar"
Joe Ragosta
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