Re: OT: Price gouging?

-hh wrote:
>
> George Graves wrote:
> >
> > But the article says that we have underestimated the amount of oil
> > reserves by 100X.
>
> The citation that you provided...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6vcj8
>
> ...says no such thing, nor does it come anywhere close to even
> suggesting that.
>
> > If this is correct...
>
> >From a very narrow scientific standpoint, my reading of the work is
> that its statement isn't particularly profound: if there's methane to
> be found, under high heat, pressure and time, it can be encouraged to
> combine into more complex hydrocarbons.
>
> That would be good news if we just had a nice big source of methane
> within the Earth to serve to feed this type of theoretical reaction.
>
> The problem with this supposition is twofold:
>
> 1) Classical "Planet Formation" theories basically rely on gravity to
> synergistically encourage the general formation of the mass, and this
> process constantly allows lighter gasses to rise (like cream) to the
> top, with heavier density elements settling to the center. Hence, we
> end up with light mass elements in our atmosphere and on the outside on
> Earth...very generically speaking, this is everything with an atomic
> weight of 14 and lower...and its also why all of the stuff we have to
> mine to get (iron, etc) come from holes in the ground and not distilled
> from our atmosphere.
>
> 2) One of the better guesses that we have for the composition of the
> Earth's mantle is the chemical compsition of lava. Here's Hawaii's
> Kilauea primary magma's chemical composition (Clague and Denlinger):
> SiO2 (49%), TiO2 (1.9%), Al2O3 (10.7), FeO (11.2%), MgO (16.5%), CaO
> (8.55%), Na2O (1.66%), K2O (0.30%), P2O5 (0.18%).
>
> Note carefully:
> a) It doesn't have any hydrogen in it
> b) It doesn't have any carbon in it either.
>
> BTW, its also worth noting that every one of its constituents has
> already been oxidized.
>
> I did do some more searching, and did find this article:
>
> "Using a diamond anvil cell, the scientists squeezed materials common
> at Earth's surface -- iron oxide (FeO), calcite (CaCO3) (the primary
> component of marble) and water to pressures ranging from 50,000 to
> 110,000 atmospheres and temperatures more than 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit
> -- to create conditions similar to those found deep within Earth.
> Methane (CH4) formed by combining the carbon in calcite with the
> hydrogen in water. The reaction occurred over a range of temperatures
> and pressures. Methane production was most favorable at 900 degrees
> Fahrenheit and 70,000 atmospheres of pressure."
>
> http://www.llnl.gov/pao/news/news_releases/2004/NR-04-09-07.html
>
> ...but a problem with the science is that there ain't no carbon in
> lava!
>
> FWIW, Calcite (CaCO3) is also known as Calcium Carbonate and is known
> to be the biological product of reef formation...ie, coral. As such,
> they've introduced a "common", but clearly biologically created source
> into their experiment. One can argue that it has been these biological
> sources of carbon being subtended by geologic action that has placed
> the necessary building blocks in these proper zones, with the carbon
> later manifesting itself in the forms of coal, oil and diamonds.
>
> So even if we accept this as a plausible premise to explain how carbon
> got down there, we still haven't found a plausible source of hydrogen
> to be combining with this carbon, which it would need to do at a
> pragmatic minimum of a 2:1 ratio (very long carbon chains), upwards to
> 4:1 (methane). The experiment uses water, but this also remains
> problemmatic to try to prove that it exists where its needed for the
> reaction to take place.
>
> However, even if we were to faithfully assume that this research is
> 100% correct and this is indeed the original source of the fuel that
> we're tapping into, we still have a problem: given the "inches per
> decade" rate at which Teutonic Plate movement occurs versus our current
> rate of oil field depletion, the bottom line inevitable conclusion is
> that:
>
> (a) we're already tapping the Earth's collection points at an
> unsustainable rate,
>
> and
>
> (b) our CaCO3's supply...the Earth's coral reefs...only comprise 1% of
> the Earth's oceans area...and are currently in a massive die-off due to
> coral bleaching, due to rises in sea temperature.
>
> The result is that both ends of the proverbial million year long
> "supply candle" are being lost. Yes, the Earth is big, but everything
> is still quantitatively finite.

Finally, someone has produced some scientific data to work
with.

In regards to getting the hydrogen, we can't leave out the
earths biomass down below. Bacteria has been found a long
ways down there, not just residing on the surface only. In
this case the living organisms need water but also produce
the methane output. Something that is currently being
researched in regards to the Mars mission. Now they are
finding water, but what took the cake was the measurements
of methane gas on Mars.

The only question left is: are the texas oil wells or where
ever that has been abandoned as dry really filling back up
with oil??

If so, then it appears that our oil supply may very well be
the earths biomass byproduct.
The process you mention above that was replicated seems to
help prove this.
.

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