Re: Vista: One feature I hope the Mac never adopts

In article <1125496078.500546.207500@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
steve.travis@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

> Travelinman wrote:
> > In article <1125441624.443715.48830@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > steve.travis@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> > > TravelinMan wrote:
> > > > In article <1125433133.917067.45350@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > > > steve.travis@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > TravelinMan wrote:
> > > > > > In article <1125422400.238420.317240@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > > > > > steve.travis@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > <snipped because Joe can't figure out how to do it in his newsreader>
> > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't think this will be an MS exclusive feature. I think that
> > > > > > > Apple
> > > > > > > moved to Intel (and it has been talked about here in the past as
> > > > > > > well)
> > > > > > > because the Intel parts have some inherent DRM functionality
> > > > > > > built
> > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > them (name escapes me now).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why bother? They could easily have added DRM firmware to their
> > > > > > systems
> > > > > > without the expense and time it takes to switch over.
> > > > >
> > > > > The DRM feature is built into the Intel Processor D...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,67749,00.html
> > > > > -----
> > > > > But why would Apple do this? Because Apple wants Intel's new Pentium
> > > > > D
> > > > > chips.
> > > > >
> > > > > Released just few days ago, the dual-core chips include a hardware
> > > > > copy
> > > > > protection scheme that prevents "unauthorized copying and
> > > > > distribution
> > > > > of copyrighted materials from the motherboard," according to PC
> > > > > World.
> > > > > -----
> > > > >
> > > > > And since you have problems following links here's the PC World link
> > > > > referenced:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,121027,00.asp
> > > >
> > > > Of course.
> > > >
> > > > But you said that they chose the Pentium D because of DRM and not vice
> > > > versa.
> > >
> > > Vice versa? As in "they chose DRM because of the Pentium D?".
> > > Seriously what are you on brother.
> >
> > Nothing. You are confused.
>
> This is such a funny comment, that it took me this long to figure out
> how to best reply to you. I could have taken the 'in the muck'
> approach and tore you a new one, or I could have taken the high
> ground... Decisions, decisions, decisions.
>
> Tell you what Joe. I'll do something you've never EVER done here in
> CSMA and take the high ground.

The only reason you'd thnk of standing on the high ground is so you
could piss in more punchbowls without having to move.

> >
> > 1. You said: "I think that Apple moved to Intel (and it has been talked
> > about here in the past as well) because the Intel parts have some
> > inherent DRM"
> > That is, you thought that Apple chose Intel BECAUSE of DRM.
>
> So far so good.
>
> > 2. I pointed out that that was a silly reason to switch processors
> > because they could have added DRM to PPC if they really wanted DRM.
>
> To which I pointed out that adding an external DRM to the PPC is not
> the same as getting a Pentium D chip with the DRM already built in.
> The latter being inherently more secure because there's no physical way
> to get to it and bypass it. Also, all the work has already been done,
> so why re-invent the wheel?

Silly argument.

First, the difference in security is insignificant. Since all Macs are
sold with Apple motherboards and CPUs, there's no way a third party can
bypass it.

Sure, someone could make their own Mac clones without DRM and install
retail Tiger, but that's a violation of the license agreeement and no
one has done it yet, so there's no reason to believe it's going to
happen.

Now, explain why Apple would go to the expense of changing their entire
system architecture when simply adding a DRM chip to their motherboards
would do the same thing.

>
> > 3. You changed your tune: "Why would Apple do this (adopt DRM)? Because
> > Apple wants Intel's new Pentium D.
>
> Actually I never said that, and the stuff in parenthesis is something
> you made up.

You never said that?
See above:
> > > > > But why would Apple do this? Because Apple wants Intel's new Pentium
> > > > > D
> > > > > chips.
You can't even read, apparently.

The part I inserted (adopt DRM) is simply inserting the context which is
quite clear. YOu're right, though, I should have used brackets since
people like you are too stupid to follow it.

>
> This is what I originally wrote in my message to you:
>
> <Quote>
> The DRM feature is built into the Intel Processor D...
>
> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/ 0,2125,67749,00.html
> -----
> But why would Apple do this? Because Apple wants Intel's new Pentium D
> chips.

And you said just a few lines above that you didn't say that.

Can you say 'Travis is a full blown liar'?
.

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