Re: My PC just broke down.... :(

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:08:19 +0200, Sandman <mr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>In article <ok42g1ljase7vivv2tht1tiip1q00g1g0m@xxxxxxx>,
> Josh McKee <jtmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> >> >Mayor made a claim about *me*, not "mac advocates". Duh.
>> >>
>> >> You're a Mac advocate aren't you?
>> >
>> >I am not "Mac advocates", no. You can count, no?
>>
>> You're a Mac advocate which makes you a member of the collective "Mac
>> advocates".
>
>You can't lump me in with a imaginary group of people, claim that that group of
>people does X and thus I do X. That's just plain dumb.

It's not an uncommon thing to do. It's done all the time here. By both
side of the debate.

>> >>> Eh? So I guess the answer is: "I was trying to say that Mayor has a
>> >>> knob on the front of his PC".
>> >>
>> >> Why would you say that?
>> >
>> >Why not?
>>
>> One assumes that if you say something that there's some relevance.
>
>It is.

Then what is the relevance?

>> >>> Do the other kids make fun of you, Josh?
>> >>
>> >> Unlike you, no.
>> >
>> >I haven't really started to make fun of you yet.
>>
>> And you never will. You may try, but you won't succeed.
>
>It would be way too easy, seeing how poor you are at english for starters.

So you keep saying.

>> >> Yeah, "help" is such an unusual command to try in order to obtain
>> >> help.
>> >
>> >For a linux admin. Yes, actually it is.
>>
>> So? It's not an unusual command to try to obtain help. Even a Linux
>> admin would probably try it.
>
>Apparently not.

You're right. I should have qualified "Linux admin" with
"knowledgable".

>>> I never considered it to be unreasonable. I quite expected there was
>>> one. I was amazed - however - that the CD didn't contain a UI disk
>>> checker.
>>
>> It does contain a UI disk checker.
>
>Incorrect.

How so?

>>>> The fact that you couldn't find this utility given the obvious
>>>> indicators that it may exist shows that you're either really lacking
>>>> in basic troubleshooting skills or you made no effort to find it...
>>>
>>> I made no effort finding it.
>>
>> That much was obvious.
>
>Good, you're learning.

And you're not. That's the difference. I'm growing my knowledge.
You're just whining about your lack of knowledge.

>>> I've never said that Windows is bad. I've said that the Windows
>>> installer is pretty stupid, and that's not a national secret really.
>>
>> Why is the installer stupid?
>
>It doesn't come with basic easy-to-use tools for trouble shooting.

Why should it? It's not a troubleshooting tool. It's an installer.

>I've said this so many times now and I am beginning to think that you will never be able
>to parse that into something that you understand.

Saying something repeatedly doesn't make any valid the nth time
compared to the first time.

>> We're not discussing the installer but the recover console. You don't
>> prefer it. I happen to like it. It's a matter of preference. Not right
>> or wrong.
>
>We are discussing the installer, not the Recovery Shell.

Why would you expect an installer to be have a recovery utility?
That's not what installers are for. That's the role of the recovery
shell.

>>>> I would beg to differ. I know a lot of UNIX admins who prefer the
>>>> CLI over the GUI. The fact that you don't prefer the CLI doesn't
>>>> make it bad.
>>>
>>> Eh? You have been taught english at school at some point, have you?
>>> Intelligent people want easy tools.
>>
>> I happen to think that the recovery tool is pretty easy to use.
>
>Yes, but that's because you're a desperate windows apologist.

This is a worn out response. It's almost as useless as calling me a
troll. Don't you have anything better?

>>> power users ALSO want power tools, they don't want to remove the easy
>>> tools and just have the power tools.
>>
>> Again I beg to differ. Many power users that I know shun the GUI.
>
>But they don't want to remove them from a desktop OS.

Again I beg to differ. Many power users that I know shun the GUI. Even
on desktop systems.

>They may - like I do - choose not to install them on a remote server.

Or on their desktops.

>>> I admin all my linux servers using nothing but the CLI.
>>
>> Then why do you care if the "easy" tools are removed? And why is it OK
>> for you to admin your Linux servers solely through the CLI but it's
>> "pretty stupid" to use the CLI to recover Windows?
>
>Because Windows is supposed to be a consumer OS, not a system admin OS.

Recovering a system isn't intended to be performed by a complete
novice. It is expected that if you're going to perform some recovery
action that you will have a basic understanding of what you're doing.
Most people, like you, would just reinstall the OS.

>>>>> I admin linux servers.
>>>>
>>>> Sure you do. Please define "admin".
>>>
>>> "the administration of..."
>>
>> Keep going...your definition and mine don't seem to be inline.
>
>What is yours?

Let's just put it this way: What you do isn't what I would consider
system administration. Those people look for solutions to problems
instead of running to the Mac advocacy newsgroup and whining about how
they couldn't type "help" on a command line. Nor bother to look
something up on the Internet.

Josh
.

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