Re: I want to be convinced; convince me.

TheLetterK wrote
(in article <VbdIe.5623$BA5.3855@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):

> Lefty Bigfoot wrote:
>> That's not the point. Nightly reboots are needed for stability
>> today, they used to be optional.
> How does this impact you? And it's not as if they've absolutely got to
> be rebooted every night.

It was your claim, I just agreed with you. If you didn't
believe in it, you shouldn't have mentioned it.

> Well, your FreeBSD cluster must be very impressive.

Another random synaptic firing I suppose, since it doesn't
appear to belong with any of the text upthread.


>> Why is a windows system more robust than a Linux or OS X system?
> It's not. The *system* is less robust. The *underlying technologies* are
> not.

Dicing and slicing duly noted.

>> If your house falls down and collapses two hours after you move
>> in, do you blame it on the wallpaper in the bathroom, or the
>> foundation and/or underlying construction?

> Well, if the wallpaper was what caused the house to collapse...

You're certifiable. Of course you could change my mind easy
enough, just post a reference of a single documented case of
wallpaper causing a house to collapse, anywhere on the planet in
all of recorded history.

>> Remember the backspace bug in the dos box that would take down
>> the OS? LOL
> Want me to start listing stupid userspace bugs on Linux?

Not particularly.

> Does the word 'forkbomb' mean anything to you?

I should think so, since I already mentioned it in this thread
earlier today. Should I describe how easy it is to load a
windows service from the dos box CLI without a reboot and delete
every file on the system under Windows? we can play this game
all day, but the point is there are about 10,000 X more attacks
against Windows than any other OS currently available, not how
many of each flavor we can name individually.

> I rarely, if ever, run across a system crash or lockup on Windows
> 2000/XP.

Then you don't do much besides watch the screen saver.

>> The existence and popularity of http://www.windowsecurity.com/
>> makes one wonder about that. The need for the existence of
>> things like ZoneAlarm, Ad-Aware, Spybot, dozens of Antivirus
>> companies, etc. just adds fuel to the fire.
> None of this has anything to do with stability.

Are you trying to imply that system intrusions, virus infection
and spyware have no impact on system stability?

> It's got everything to do with user stupidity

So if a security hole in a web browser or an email client takes
out your machine, it's your fault, and not the fault of the
company that provided the underlying tools? Interesting theory.
Are you a lawyer for Microsoft by any chance?

> Mac OS
> X will happily go about irreperably trashing itself if the user can be
> convinced to do a relatively minor action and provide a password.

All you need to do is demonstrate that this is a real world
problem on the Mac. Millions of PC users run spyware scans (and
find them) every day. How many Mac users have the problem you
describe above?

> Because Apple spends more money on cooling. If you dropped $40 on
> cooling like Apple does, your system wouldn't be very loud either.

I'm still waiting to hear where I can buy a drop-in cooling
replacement for a Dell Precision for $40. Especially since it
has 4 fans inside currently.

>> You let me know when you see dB noise output levels published on
>> a mainstream computer vendor website.
> And this impacts custom builds... how?

I'm tired of chasing you through the labyrinth of moving
goalposts. I never mentioned custom builds, so clearly I didn't
intend it to have any impact on them.


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