Re: who is to blame?


Josh McKee wrote:
> In article <1122651116.756561.106720@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,

> > becomes 'opinion'.
>
> No, they're facts. His lying is not an opinion. His inability to follow
> a discussion is not opinion. His childish behavior is not opinion. It's
> all easily verifiable by searching this newsgroup in Google.

I can not remember seeing any evidence of that. All I know is that you
cite a person you find unreliable fit to support your case. You say
that his testimony is good enough to support your case and you want me
to take you seriously? You find some evidence to support your claims,
(whatever they are) that is not only supported by people you feel are
unreliable, and then we talk again.

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>
> I don't claim it to the be universal truth. I just hold it up as one, of
> many, examples.

Well, then give me those 'many' examples. at least half of the many
hundred million Window users who are obviously, according to your
statements, desperate to use Windows if they had a choice. Comon... go
on give it to me.

> >
> > Not having to worry about malware is better for me.
> > Keeping some resale value is better for me.
> > Having OS X is better for me.
> > Having a decent looking machine is better for me.
> > Having a decent quality built machine is better for me.
> > Having Firewire i/o is better for me.
> > Being able to run the software I need is better for me (such as Logic
> > Audio)
> > Having a supplier whose hardware has over ten years never let me down
> > is better for me.
>
> Perhaps you missed where I said "Maybe the preferred choice"? That list
> looks more like preferences.
>
That list is not even complete. My first Mac was better than any PC at
the time, and my current Mac is worth more in efficiency and resale
value than any PC you could buy at the time, and for capability to do
what I need a computer to do than any PC you can even buy now. Try me.
I would not swap a Windows, or Lindow Laptop for the very first Ti-Book
I am using right now.

> > My powerbook was not only the 'preferred' choice, but the one valid
> > choice for me, despite having access to other platforms and being able
> > to compare.
>
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> My point isn't about those that are uninformed. My point is about those
> that are informed. Of those that are informed about both it appears that
> they overwhelmingly choose Windows.

Well, again if you had read the OP you would know that at least one
Windows user found that he never even had the chance to try out a Mac
for many years. He finally got to use a Mac and he is ecstatic. That is
what we are talking about, not your preferred audience that you are
conjuring up without any links, statistics, any sort of evidence...
apart from the guy you feel is unreliable of course. Where did you get
your debating skills? Have you ever written an essay? Do you not know
that you have to supply some sort of backing to your arguments?

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> > Exactly, you 'suspect'... that is a long way from knowing :)
>
> It's more than a baseless suspicion. The reality is that the
> overwhelming majority of informed people choose Windows. We're in
> agreement that not everyone will.

um, yeah? It is not a 'baseless suspicion'? what is your base? A
suspicion is usually a feeling not yet supported by fact. The 'reality
is' what? have you got a statistic that proves 'informed' people chose
Windows? Informed of what? Where are the statistics?
>
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> > Again, my argument is that many PC users never had the opportunity to
> > make an informed choice and we have no way of knowing what their
> > preferred tool of choice would be. Which is still valid...
>
> Many is not the majority. I agree that many people do not make an
> informed choice. But of those that have evaluated both the overwhelming
> majority choose Windows. The employees at Joe's company did. The people
> who purchase a PC where Macintosh computers are sold did.

How do you know?
My argument still stands... Many people don't have the chance to make
an educated choice... And I am sorry but if you don't come up with any
facts I just have to ignore you because you starting to get tedious.

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