Re: Need help with "reallocated sector count"?

On Nov 16, 11:12 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
kimiraikkonen <kimiraikkone...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed....@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
kimiraikkonen <kimiraikkone...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed....@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
kimiraikkonen <kimiraikkone...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
Most of the computer users, including professionals, don't
look at or take care SMART's "reallocated sectors count"
value, they usually take care full / surface scans against data
loss unless SMART reaches to a critical level with alerting.
Anyone who does it like that aint a 'professional'.
Really?
Yep, that dinosaur approach is WAY past its useby date now with SMART.
Where are you working or what are you working for? "Professional"
Another incomprehensible question.
Just wondered what your job is. Nothing else (professional).

Been doing this stuff likely since before you were born.

Possible.

The MUCH more viable approach is to monitor the raw
SMART data over time and consider what changes mean.
Sure, but how many vendors take care SMART status inside warranty?
Most modern hard drive diagnostics use the SMART data now.
That's another important point.
I have e-mailed Seagate to ask about the topic title, they haven't replied
with a satisfactory answer so far. Maybe they know or not. Who knows?
Its more likely that they just gave up on your rather fractured english.
It's not on your hands to judge my English.
Corse it is.
Your opinion #1.

It isnt opinion, its fact. That anyone can see for themselves.

Your fact #1

Quizzes and formal documents would conclude better than you with no doubt.

None of those are needed to realise that you have a problem with your english.

Your conclusion.

Don't conclude unless you're sure, if you feel
that you're sure, query yourself more than once.
Get stuffed.
If you're not tended to be helpful, do not post please.
Go and *** yourself.
You'd better do it for yourself. I do not need.

Thats a colloquial way of saying that you dont get to tell anyone about how they can post, ever.

You shouldn't say it before, thus i had to answer.

This group is not English-teaching group.
You chose to post in this group and if what you say isnt comprehendable, that
needs to be pointed out to you so you can try again to say what you meant.
Yes, i chose, had very helpful posts, not only for group, there
are some others. I'm shy on saying the same things in order
to avoid message mess. I have a sensitive approach.
My native language is not English.
Thats always been obvious.
It's your opinion agian #2.

Nope, another fact.

Your fact #2

I don't take care.

You should have said "I don't care" there.

Sorry, mistyped.

And you clearly do care too.

You're just supposing it.

If it's yours, then try to learn different language and judje yourself how good you are.
I didnt choose to post in a language other than my native language.
Try it to see how good you are.

Dont need to. I decided long ago that anyone with a clue posts in english.

Because that is by far the most commonly used language in usenet.

It was known before you declared it.

Even sometimes, i hear contact noise, i detailed it them, they said:
And this is a good example of rather fractured english
where it isnt at all clear what you are trying to say.
If you hadn't understood what i've told you, search google
"head contact" or "head crash" then see what it means.
And how was I ever supposed to know that you even intended the
use of the word head, when you didnt even include that word ?
And I know what those terms mean without using google, thanks.
Its very unlikely that you actually heard a head crash.
Not likely, exactly. Maybe drive retries to spin. The sound comes
definelty from drive, however i got the answer, again as long as
full physical integrity test is passed, no need to worry.

That answer is just plain wrong.

Anyway, except reallocated sectors count value, "spin/retry count"
is sometimes highlighted as in dangerous position by Smart
software like Hardware ECC recovered

Yes, but Hardware ECC recovered isnt necessarily
a problem with some manufacturer's drives.

Ok for this.

You would have heard something else instead.
They aren't your ears, beleive me.

No thanks, it wouldnt have been a head crash.

Tested with several methods. No, contact, but not always, rarely.

What you actually heard was the drive recalibrating.

Possible, but you should have heard before you decide early.



if the drive passes long test, i shouldn't worry.
Thats rather superficial advice, because it wont pick up increasing numbers
of reallocated sectors which is certainly an indication that the drive is dying.
As i'm not an amateur, i usually watch SMART values to see what
goes on. My other SMART values are those (latest):
Are they any value that should make me concerned?
(no pending or uncorrectable sectors)
No, the other values are fine given that its a seagate drive. Seagate drives
do have those rather high seek error rate and hardware ECC recovered numbers.
That's good news, thanks at least for hardware ECC and others.
Attribute Name Threshold Value
Worst Raw value
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 (01) Raw Read Error Rate 34 63
53 2778681
3 (03) Spin Up Time 0
70 70 0
4 (04) Start/Stop Count 20
100 100 692
5 (05) Reallocated Sectors Count 36 98
98 98
7 (07) Seek Error Rate 30
81 60 158998323
9 (09) Power-On Hours 0
93 93 6591
10 (0A) Spin Retry Count 97 100
100 0
12 (0C) Device Power Cycle Count 20 98
98 2602
194 (C2) Temperature 0
21 51 21
195 (C3) Hardware ECC recovered 0 61
53 2778681
197 (C5) Current Pending Sector Count 0 100
100 0
198 (C6) Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100
100 0
199 (C7) UltraDMA CRC Error Count 0 200
200 0
200 (C8) Write Error Rate (Multi Zone Error Rate) 0 100
253 0
202 (CA) Data Address Mark Errors 0 100
253 0
Sorry, if the lines slide out of the page,
The correct terminology is wrap.
i use Google to access newsgroups, don't know how you get here :-(
You can see that from the post headers.
Implict answer of you. Bad English for me ? :-( I don't think so.
That first sentence is very bad english, incomprehensible.
Again...Your opinion #3.

Nope, fact, again.

Your fact #3

No need to say anymore.

Fraid so. You wont find anyone except a troll that would
say that that particular sentence is comprehensible english.

Your fact #4

OK, close (do not append) the topic.
You get no say on what I post.
I know, if it makes you feel better post for trash.

Another with very bad english.

Your fact #4

It's enough i think.
Your problem.
Still to many confusions.
Only if you cant comprehend the basics.
I always try to do my best as long as the enviroment is enough clear
to understand. Sometimes groups and post are helpful like previous
posters, sometimes reference website articles are more.
Depends.

No evidence that you have actually understood any of the basics, from any source.

Or couldn't explain enough clear to make you understand that basis.

There are some good definitions on Wikipedia about "reallocated sectors."

Your facts are yours.

BTW, sorry for your fame:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage/browse_thread/thread/c4ea774e304aef58/ad32331015efb66a

Bye
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