Re: Non-intel benchmarks on Conroe vs AMD's AM2 FX62

In article <ahab721evndq7bm2dou0rsfjkbkq8164cr@xxxxxxx>,
chrisv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx says...
krw wrote:

In article <ijl8721m1a7sv475ju46mcj83vhnd36b03@xxxxxxx>,
chrisv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx says...

I understand where you're coming from, Keith, and ordinarily I'd agree
with you. But today we are in a situation just a couple months short
of the rare occasion completely redesigned X86 CPU, with early reports
being VERY promising. Personally, knowing what I know today, I would
delay my purchase until these things are available, just in case they
are that much better.

I'd be waiting more than a couple of months! Let the shake-out
happen.

Are you advocating waiting, for some future "shake-out" or price
reduction? Why is that more reasonable than waiting for an entirely
new and promising CPU?

Either I'd buy now or wait for a shakeout (and possible price
reductions). If I needed a system, I'd likely not wait at all
though. I certainly don't buy FUD (I don't buy FX62s either).

DO you think these things are going to be free?

No, I do not think they will be free. Strange question...

Then why all the hype? (that's a rhetorical question).

I do think that consumers will benefit, perhaps even immediately, by
having Intel competitive again. Indeed, they may have already, given
recent price-cuts. If Intel has FUD'ed AMD, they've also FUD'ed their
own current CPU products.

That's all I see is FUD. Yes, it seems they have Osborned
themselves.

In any event, the value should be fair. It's not like they're going
to suddenly start charging us more, in terms of dollars per unit
performance, than what they are today (or what AMD will be charging
then).

Intel has always been more expensive than AMD. Why would this
change?

No, buy what you need when you need it.

If you really "need" it, yes. However, for most people, there's quite
a bit of slop in the time-frame where they will "need" a new PC
(unless the old one dies). That's where "want" comes in, and I'm
afraid that not all "wants" are purely logical and precisely timed for
maximal value/dollar, whether it's a new PC or a new car. I think
this is especially true of enthusiasts, for whom these devices are not
merely tools, but something that they think is "cool" - there's not
much cooler than a brand new CPU design on a brand new manufacturing
process.

Oh, so this is all about bragging rights? Maybe that's why I buy
what's available, rather than FUD. I'm really not much concerned
abut tomorrow's promises, other than a technical curiosity or
perhaps an investment. The latter doesn't seem to be Intel's
motivation (or they've hit another 'burg).

The performance difference simply
won't be astronomical. Those days are *long* gone.

Astronomical? No. Significant? Very possible. From early reports,
this may be the biggest leap in desktop CPU performance that we've had
in some years.

FUD

After all, A64, while a very elegant design, didn't really leap us
forward in performance - it basically performs like an Athlon clocked
at whatever frequency. AMD's recent dominance in the performance
arena is mostly the result of Intel falling on it's arse with "Net
Burst".

Nonsense. If it's used as an Athlon it's not much, but if the
features are used it's far faster than an equivalently clocked
Athlon (which isn't all that bad either). If they're not used,
well...

I do not disagree with the "if your old machine ain't cutting it, get
a new one now" rule. But, given the flexibility that most of us have
regarding our old machine "cutting it", and the new CPU due shortly,
I'd say it's a very reasonable decision at this time to wait and see
how this thing performs.

If you're prepared to wait a year, perhaps. If not, buy when the
time is right.

--
Keith
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