Re: Novell Desktop Linux 10: getting closer to a toss up between Linux & Windows?

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:09:31 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On the other hand Linux (Unix) has a well known (and sort of (almost) standardized
directory structure, you will not likely find the movies in /usr/bin for example ;-)
(OK MS people would put self-extracting there... LOL)

Not to me honestly, the default Linux/Unix structure just don't make
sense. Instead of a USRobotics folder, why didn't they call it user
and instead of bin, making the whole thing sounds like the user's
trashbin, why didn't they call it /user/programs ?

Futhermore, I find it a mess to have everything installed into
programs or Program Files for that matter. It isn't intuitive to me so
standardized or not, it's a learning curve and memory work compared to
a graphical tree representation.

In 'VDR' as is sort of a standard, and most apps that I write there is a directory
/video
in my case it is split up in
/video/ts
/video/mpeg/
etc..
On the win partition it is called movies
But /video has become a sort of standard I think.
Sometimes you change to that dir, but indeed I usually type
xine /video/my_movie.ts

This sounds exactly like erm a guy geek's way of doing things. Why
would anybody want to arrange my movies or music based on whether they
are .ts or .mpeg??? I prefer them as things like "tv serials" "movies"
"funny clips" "anime" nevermind if they are .ogg .ts .avi or .wat

Not very difficult because I put it there.
But really good memory? No way should you assume that.
the issure with Unix (unlike MS products) is this, once a day 'updatedb' runs.
So now if you want to know where blues_brothers.ts is (for example, an this assumes
you have no clue about upper and lower case, where it is or how it is written on;y know it is a .ts format),
you could do
locate -i blues | grep -i ts
that would give you some hits.
I use 'locate' and 'grep' many times a day.
There is indeed no way to remember where exactly a file is, for example working with postgres,
instelling a new version, setting up databases and links, locate will find all stuff.

I think I can click Explorer > Download Drive > Movies > Sad Movies
and find Blues_Brothers.ts faster :P

The most important tools:
updatedb
locate
grep
ls -rtla (just 'l' on my system, shows the last entry is a directory)
apropos
man

And locate is very fast, not like 'find'.

As you have discovered finding something across many disk and partitions with so many giga bytes
requires tools.

Hence rather than forcing users or yourself to suffer the need to type
so many things and wait for processing, it's faster to use a GUI on a
file organisation that's personally intuitive and meaningful.

then just double click middle mouse on the relevant result, no typing involved:
Example:
grml: ~ # locate -i morning | grep mp3
/video/sound/other/bob_dylan/new_morning/01-if_not_for_you_192_lame_cbr.mp3
/video/sound/other/bob_dylan/new_morning/02-day_of_the_locusts_192_lame_cbr.mp3
/video/sound/other/bob_dylan/new_morning/07-new_morning_192_lame_cbr.mp3
/video/sound/other/bob_dylan/new_morning/08-mr_tambourine_man_192_lame_cbr.mp3
/video/sound/other/bob_dylan/new_morning/12-father_of_night_192_lame_cbr.mp3
/video/sound/other/dean_martin/21-carolina_in_the_morning_192_lame_cbr.mp3

so I double click middle mouse on the line with tambourine then type these 6 characters only
mpg123 <once click of the middle mosue button to insert the full pathfilename>ENTER
and it plays

As it is still on my screen, iIcan already click a next one i want to hear.
Of cause normally it plays aiutomatically from my playlists in xmpl (that I wrote).

I think I can do this faster then dilly dally with little windows and icons.

Ah, but in this case you ARE using a WIMP graphical interface, albeit
with very primitive graphics. You have a full screen Window, textual
Icons, a Mouse and Pointer! See, it does make sense ultimately to have
some form of GUI for various kind of work. :)



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