Re: RFC: Sony Playstation-3 the next IBM PC?

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:20:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:59:13 -0500) it happened George Macdonald
><fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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>>>>As the number of PCI-E PCs rises, obviously the AGP cards will die but does
>>>>it really matter here?
>>>
>>>Not if I go to PS3 ;-) If I upgraded my Tyan mobo with Duron (AGP) yes..
>>>Did you know THIS Tyan mobo even has one ISA connector ?
>>>It has an old Philips analog TV card in it.
>>
>>So you have a dated mbrd.<shrug>
>
>The point I was making in the original post is this (so I repeat what I wrote):
>'Many people in Europe use an old PC (say K6 or Duron) as video recorder for
>digital satellite TV, 'VDR' is such a project, and I have done some
>( http://panteltje.com/panteltje/dvd/ ) of similar stuff myself.'

I wish you'd focus on the issue and quit jumping around to make your point:
one minute you're talking of the latest codecs, the next you're talking
about dumb VDRs.

>There are thousands (I think) users of VDR, satellite is very popular where I
>am, and in Germany, northern European countries.
>So THESE OLD BOXES HAVE AN OLD MOBO, and THAT is part of the issue.
>These are perfect video recorders, maybe like your TIVO but much better of
>course;-)

In that case, there's more to it than AGP: newer AGP 3.0 cards will not
work on old AGP 1.x mbrds. As for K6s, be prepared to lose them. I have
two broken K6 mbrds in the office - one I suspect a VR and the other
electrolytic cap failure. Nothing's forever... everything gets "old"...
move on.

If there's a market for 7000 series AGP upgrades for the Durons and older
Athlons, Celerons & P4s it will happen... just as it has for the GeForce
6000 series.

>>No, you're missing the point of the PC as a general purpose box - you have
>>a fancy TV.
>
>No I am not, the proposition of the PC as 'general purpose' box or rather
>'multimedia box' is from people like ME.
>Long before mikey soft and the '64kB is enough for everyone', 'Internet is
>nothing', and 'DVD is out' remarks from Billy The Gates, always wrong...
>always ... now saying PC is the 'multimedia center' so far behind the FACTS
>that that is exactly what we are moving away from at this moment.

I'll be sure to watch for your name on the humanitarian awards, next to
BG's, when you become filthy rich.:-)

>The first sign is the many digital videos sold with editing features.
>Yes the PC will stay in use as editing suite for audio and video for a while.
>But that same PC as power hungry 200 to 300 Watt electricity eater has no
>future.

What the hell are you on about? Christ there's nothing hungry about 300W -
a coupla light bulbs worth! Compared with staying warm it's a minor blip.

>Notebooks will replace it, no more PCI plugin cards, interface: RJ45.
>The LAN wil operate autonomous.
>Home automation, it is all working here, you can see the temps here:
>http://panteltje.com/panteltje/view_sensors.php
>controls heaters.... can be controlled from all over the world.
>Small specialized plugins to the LAN, like for example the HP thin clients
>perhaps.
>Only power what you need when you need it.
>Linux runs on a FPGA board or micro controller.

Sorry I just don't see it - replacing one centralized box with a buncha
multiple failure points. I also don't need or want to control my household
appliances from a LAN. It would be nice to stick a DVD in the computer
drive and watch the video downstairs on TV but *not* with wires and Wi-Fi
is not quite there yet. Then there's DRM which err, complicates all this.

>It will all be about power -solar PC?- 12 V operating, alternative energy,

I'm sorry but solar and wind just don't cut it - a blind alley. You have
no conception of how far out of whack your "alternative energy" sources are
in relation to the scale of energy production and use. It's all laid out
in front of you but you refuse to take it in: just look... at the
"dirtiest" energy consumer nations in Europe. There are lessons to learn
here.

>Energy will be VERY expensive when Iran asks gold for the oil.
>Their financial withdrawal from the US markets will and does hit.

Iran is playing games... with its own peoples' comfort and well-being.
They're going to hurt themselves more than anybody else.

>>Oil is powerful stuff.. just like the gas you Euros got short on a coupla
>>weeks ago.:-)
>Exactly, I see we agree, and now a cold wave is here...

And one wonders what the "greens" have to say... curiously silent as they
face the prospect of shivering to death as the infrastructure they so
despise reveals how dependent they are.

>>And socialism isn't? It's only a different selection process for the
>>people at the top. The enigma is: if either of the two groups is more
>>malevolent...corrupt, than the other?
>
>Yes same thing, probably any 'ism' can also be called a system, and, as
>we humans change, so must systems adapt.
>If they don't then these systems will collapse, be it by revolution or just
>abandoned for some other 'ism'.

Point: the bottom line is that some form of (regulated) capitalism is the
only "system" which has shown itself to work in the long term.

>>>So my 'obsession' no... my 'prediction' based on what I understand yes.
>>
>>Prophets of doom are a dime a dozen.
>Well ultimately it is probably safe to predict humanity wil go dinos way.
>Not that I will be there to see that.....
>Lets call it a 'design fault' same way as the dinos were too big and heavy.
>hehe
>Oh well :-)
>
>>No need to wallow in it. If the US "falls" the rest of the world will fall
>>with it - many will fall further, including Europe.
>US has a big deficit, Europe exports a lot to it, so depends on it.
>But Europe also exports tech to China.
>If production is cheaper in China, the US can only export knowledge.
>But China had 40x more students graduate last year I have read somewhere then
>the US.
>So I dunno.. China has a big internal market it can produce for, we (Europe)
>do also export tech to China.
>US will have lost the last tech advantage in 20 years or so at this speed.
>So with US turning into a low wages place, [a] world balance will sort of
>happen.

Absurd extrapolations are no help here. China is an adolescent
socio-political basket case.

>But US will try war to prevent all this.. But what if China has better weapons.
>History shows the Roman empire, how big and mighty it may have been, is no
>longer.
>The world is still here, but the times and places change.
>No, before it goes dinos way, many 'centers of power' will have been,
>civilizations will have happened perhaps.

WTF are you smoking?

--
Rgds, George Macdonald
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