Re: John Lewis, et al. - DirectX April 2007 redist file inventory contains DX10 files?
- From: "CoinSpin" <coin^spam^spin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:32:10 -0400
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| > "CoinSpin" <coin^spam^spin@xxxxxxxxxxx> looked up from reading the
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| >>I wouldn't hold my breath on DX10 and XP... If MS put DX10
compatibility
| >>into XP, not a single gamer with a choice would EVER upgrade to Vista...
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| 'with a choice' is the key phrase IMO. According to the inside info on my
| box, my computer was assembled in June of 2005. So it's now approaching
| it's second birthday and I've pretty much already gutted everything-out of
| it except for the motherboard, chipset, DVD drives and HD with XP
| pre-installed. So I've upgraded the power supply, cooling, Video card,
| sound card and maxed out the RAM. And I fully expect this box to last me
at
| least one more year and perhaps even two - finances two years hence being
| the issue. So unless the box crashes, I'm not going to be in any hurry to
| buy another. But when I do, I fully expect it to have Vista
pre-installed.
| And hopefully by then SP2 for Vista will already be released.
|
| >>They won't cut their own throats like that.
|
| I think you're over-estimating the gaming market. The primary demand for
| new computers is business and goverment. Not gamers. Organizations that
| depreciate their computer boxes to scrap every two or three years and
| replace 'em with brand new, turn-key systems for the capital invesment
tax
| bonuses are what drive the new operating system / new desktop market. M$
| doesn't care what a bunch of gamers want - that's why they have the XBox
| business.
|
I think you are under-estimating the gaming market... If it is such a small
percentage, why spend the massive money they have put into completely
revamping the DX software in the first place? MS doesn't do anything unless
it thinks there is serious money to be made... See my comments below for
more on that.
| >>
| >>They have a cash cow, they will milk it.
|
| Ummm, no. I fully expect that M$ is going to be besieged by game
developers
| / publishers who will demand DX10 backwards-compatibility with wXP simply
so
| their products will run on the most platforms possible. I have a pretty
| good winXP system and if my platform is still technically able to deal
with
| a new game published next year EXCEPT for DX10 compatibility, I'm not
likely
| to spend the money to make the upgrade to Vista for 'just a game'. No
| matter what M$ wants. So a game developer / publisher is going to
lose-out
| on a sale simply because of M$'s corporate policey.
|
| Which is why I think wXP - DX10 compatibility is simply inevitable. Game
| publishers / developers are going to go bankrupt waiting for gamers to
| upgrade their operating system. Or stop writing for DX10 entirely - until
| they see enough of a Vista user-base available to make adequate sales
| possible.
|
| AppleCorp went down the Operating System exclusivisity road and look at
how
| well that worked our for them. Now OSx won't run earlier versions of Mac
| games and Mac games that require earlier versions of the Apple operatiing
| system won't work on OSx platforms. And among people I know who bought
| IMacs for the I-life AND the available games (for both earlier OS and OSx)
| are now screaming bloody murder.
|
| >
| > Except that developers won't develop for dx10 unless significant numbers
| > of gamers are running it.
|
| What he said.
|
| >
| > Unless there's some real benefit to "upgrading" to Vista, people won't,
| > and the devs are going to go where the customers are.
| > At least unless MS isn't paying them to develop for Vista only.
|
| That is an issue. M$ could fund 'Vista-only' PC games just like they have
| Xbox-only titles for the video game market. But unlike XBox, which is a
| M$-only product in the first place, the PC gaming market is a hardware
| market well seperate from the software market.
|
MS is already working on the "Vista-only" gaming market... They are pushing
DX10 hard, and want developers to support it fully... "Games for Windows"
is the first push on this, and is intended to either force or strengthen the
Vista sales stream... Think it's a coincidence that little "Games for
Windows" certification thing popped up just as Vista was coming into full
launch? It's a marketing tactic for the home PCs, which granted is a
smaller market than business, but they want every home user to HAVE to
upgrade to Vista... See, most people don't WANT to upgrade, since Vista is
a bloated resource hog that has ho-hum enhancements over XP, so MS has to
find ways to force it down everyone's throats. They've succeeded in pushing
all of the major PC manufacturers to go exclusively Vista, totally
destroying the end users' choice in the matter (which, btw, has backfired on
many in the corporate world BIG time, i.e. Dell). They are trying to
guarantee those "significant numbers" mentioned above. Using the DX10 and
Vista gaming carrot to force home users into upgrading is part of the
strategy... There have already been statements from MS stating that, in no
uncertain terms, DX10 will be exclusive to Vista and beyond. Again, if they
offered DX10 to XP users, they'd be cutting their own throats financially.
In the end, it's all marketing... Their greed and hunger for market
domination is legendary. Looking at the actions of MS in the past, I can't
see them doing anything that will cut into their own profit margin.
But that's just my take on it... Only time will tell if they actually
encounter pressure on the DX10 issue... And if they even pay any attention
to that pressure.
CoinSpin
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