Re: PC gaming on HD TV

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:52:30 -0700, pc games <pcgamer23708@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Jun 6, 1:13 am, LY <tmp\no.spam/00@opt*no'spam*online.net> wrote:

I disagree, it's fairly easy these days and not too pricey.
A decent 37" ~720p LCD can be had for under $500

Those are not a good option
They feature a native resolution at 1366x768 and as you know that
resolution is simply not supported by any GPU in the work but rather
the standard 1360x768 and without 1:1 scaling those TVs are worthless
Will you pay 500 for something that will always stretch your image
even if its only 6 pixels?
Obviously not!

You can use any custom res, the gfx card doesn't care too much. My
50" DLP HDTV is 1280x720 native res, but it has built in overscanning
so I use a res of 1216x683 to make it edge-to-edge (otherwise some
stuff will be a bit off-screen). So there's a 1:1 pixel mapping,
no stretching. Plus, even if you want to use a res that's lower than
native, you can configure it to not stretch and have black bars by
setting the gfx driver to use centered output. I can do 800x600 on
my 16:9 TV if I wanted, no stretching, just black bars.

As someone mentioned, DVI to HDMI is the way to go.

Why messing with converters?
The way to go in Graphic cards having a HDMI interface already

There's no conversion, the video signal is pretty much identical
(well no HDCP, but who cares about that). HDMI just has a different
connector, with audio as well. No point really in HDMI for gfx
cards, there's no audio. The only thing is for HDCP protected
content, but if you own the HD-DVD or BR-DVD, feel free to download
the unprotected version using bittorrent.

Not necessary, 720p is fine as well, and older gfx cards can handle
that native res easily.

Like I said the native resolution of those TVs is not supported by any
GPU so no they are not a fine option

Some 720p TVs are native 1280x720, I believe almost all 720p DLPs and
plasmas are. But it doesn't matter, modern gfx cards can handle
almost any res.

Not really an issue these days, high end video cards can already push
high res monitors (LCDs), check out benchmarks on most hardware sites.

I don't need to check any bechmark, I have my own experience
My 7600 simply can't handle modern games at high frame rates with
resolutions higher than 1024x768 so obviously 1900x1080 is out of the
question

7600 isn't really high end. 8800GTS 320MB is pbly best bang for the
buck these days. As an example of what these cards can do, check
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/12/the_amd_squeeze/page6.html
FEAR, 1600x1200 (roughly the same number of pixels as 1920x1080),
4xAA, 8xAF. 8800GTX is 138fps, 8800GTS (non-OC) is 83fps, 7900GTX
is 48fps. Drop the AA and AF, it's pbly playable even on lower gfx
cards. Plus you can usually overclock any gfx card a bit.

My old 6800GT can do 1280x1024 (on my 19" LCD) or 1280x720 (on my
HDTV) for recent games, tho often with low or no AA. I'm waiting
for the 89xx series before upgrading.

I think the best bang for the buck right now is a 22" widescreen LCD.
They can be had for ~$250 online. The native res is usually 1680x1050
so the dot pitch (0.282mm) isn't too far from a 19" 5:4 1280x1024
(0.294mm).

Don't like it for many reasons
Even if it has a higher dot pitch than most other LCD its still too
small Even a 5:4 19" is not perfect and for me it should be bigger

Well, the only way to get a bigger dot pitch is to buy an LCD TV and
use it as a monitor.

More this resolution is simply too high for some cards to handle and
with widescreen you have the issue of maintaining aspect ratio
And lastly but not least the support for this resolution is much
recent meaning the majority of legacy games simply don't support it.
For me its clear 16:10 22" is not a good choice for PC Games now if
you want good legacy support.

Aspect ratio isn't a problem, you can set the gfx driver to scale but
maintain aspect ratio, or better yet, no scaling with centered output
(you'll get black bars). If legacy games don't support the res, you
can use 1280x1024 with no scaling, and the image will be roughly the
same size as a 19" (height of 22" WS is roughly the same as a non-WS
19" I think).
.

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