Re: Why the p5 vs i5 price difference?


<gast317@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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I'm comparing the premium
supplier recommended products.

You don't really want to call IIS "premium" do you? LOL !
It's stoneage compared to Apache / Tomcat.


Well it is THEIR Premium product. You may differ in your opinion to Bill.
But the equivalent I5 to IIS is not Apache/Tomcat - it's the full blown
Websphere. That's IBM's recommendation. So the comparison is IIS versus
Websphere. It is interesting but in most circle Tomcat is recommended as a
Training environment to develop concepts etc before proceeding to a
commercial product (for Java this would be JRun, JBoss, Websphere etc). I
also had a lot of trouble with some of the later JSF tag libraries on the
V5R3 Tomcat which are not an issue on the Windows/Linux releases. I noticed
in the literature that Express is unable to process these types of
activities as well so I figure they've been handicapped.


You can get MySQL, PostGresQL and other databases under Windows/Linux
environments for free or relatively minor charges.

You get DB/2 for free on a i5.
But, yes, I worked with MySQL and I run it in a productive environment.
A healthy and stable database. I was surprised and impressed. In a
Windows environment I would not change back to MS SQL server even if
it's for free.


We have 100 (500+ employee) sites running a MS SQL Server database we
developed. Very little work as we prepared well and wrote clean concise
code. This is the secret to any database implementation. I know that other
products give them trouble though.


Our web development system on the i5 costs nothing. It's the RPG/Cobol
compiler license we have since 10 years. Divide 2000 $ into this
period. Costs per seat of course zero.

Do you pay software maintenance? This feature code will be part of the
maintenance fee. You can still be using VB6 from 98 (?). That will get you
are minimum yearly cost by now as well. It's a pointless comparison.


Write stupid little RPG/Cobol batch transaction programs and plug them
to the "OK" and other buttons of your html forms. Web programming done.
Our cheap old RPG programmers just do what they do all day, only
simpler.

CGI is not the flavour anymore. I don't know why but no one wants to know
about it.


Consultants still preach the tales that you need web development
systems and extra programming languages. And many people still believe
them. Wonder where they left their own brains.

When you look to upgrade your system your IS manager will get an earful from
IBM. CGI and Tomcat will not be part of that message but JSP/JSF/Websphere
will be. If they venture into open tenders than the others will turn up -
Sun will promote Java products particularly JSF, Java on their Sun Web
Servers; MS will promote ASP.NET on IIS; HP will promote either of the
aforementioned that looks like their best sales potential.

Obviously these products all work well as does CGI on the I5. But your IS
manager (and any other manager for that matter) will be thinking hard about
it - why do all the suppliers push these other technologies - what are we
missing???



Walter


RJ.


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