OT Re: Visual Studio 2005 *** MIKE'S RANT !!! ***

One small note, M$ Office does allow a second copy to be in
Hello All,

One small note, M$ Office does allow a second copy to be installed on "portable" devices. From their EULA:

...
2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS. Before you use the software under a license, you must assign that license to one device. That device is the “licensed device.” A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate device.
a... Licensed Device. You may install and use one copy of the software on the licensed device.
b. Portable Device. You may install another copy on a portable device for use by the single primary user of the licensed device.
...

--alex




----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Berkowitz <MBerkowitz@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:41:57 PM
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT Re: Visual Studio 2005 *** MIKE'S RANT !!! ***


If you're using MS office for "noncommercial" use then get MS Office Home
and Student 2007 or the 2003 product. Products have word, excel,
powerpoint and onenote. About the same in 2003

MS says "Office Home and Student 2007 is licensed only for noncommercial
use by households. It cannot be used in commercial (business) situations"
and
"The retail license terms permit installation and use of Office Home and
Student 2007 on three devices"

Street price 100-125 for 2007, 2003 if found probably less than 100

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Mike's Rant:

You know I have been a huge fan of MS until just recently. I have been
having tremendous trouble with IE 6.0...freezes, aborts, etc. I thought
it
was just my machine but my other 2 machines are doing it too, one is
Vista,
the other 2 are XP. I am moving to Firefox for browsing and web stuff.

There is another issue I have with MS and that has to do with their
licensing of MS Office. I have it on one machine but wanted to put it on
my
2 other machines; all 3 machines are used by me and my kids for work and
play. According to their licensing I could not simply copy it to the
other
machines, no, I had to buy new copies for them. Now I want Word, Excel
and
Outlook. These were in excess of $300 a copy for each machine. Quite
simply, that sucks! No wonder Gates is a multi-billionaire. I bought
Corel's Wordperfect for $79 and it had a $30 rebate; it also has a
spread*** tool, and I bought Wordperfect Mail for $49. I can use these
on
up to 3 machines, XP and Vista. Works great.

While I am busy ranting let me add one more thing. I have been with the
HP3000 and related technologies for almost 25 years. Loved it all. Made
a
great living at it, etc. But the world is changing and I am fast learning
LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP). One major difference I see in this
technology is that by and large, most of the source code and databases are
free. Compare this to Oracle or MS or HP, for that matter. I don't
begrudge anyone for living large and making a ton of $. But I am getting
sick and tired of paying out huge $ for them to do so. If someone came
out
with an on-line word processor, cheap, I would abandon desktop software in
a
heartbeat. I don't think I am alone in thinking this way either. The web
is just starting, all you old HP COBOL programmers and the like, get on
board! We don't want the Indians having all the fun do we?

Thanks for your time.

Mike Serafin, New Hampshire


-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of James B. Byrne
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:48 PM
To: HP3000-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [HP3000-L] OT Re: Visual Studio 2005

On: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:05 PM, Ray Shahan wrote:


I just finished reading "Visual Studio 2005 for Dummies", and I must
admit, I'm thoroughly impressed with the MS view of the world.

Well, I just bought two brand-new Toshiba Satellites for my daughters each
with MS Vista Home Premium (allegedly pre-installed - what a joke), and
after spending the better part of an hour on each (with considerable
parallel, if manual, processing) both machines were finally ready to do
some work. No problems mind you, just tedium.

Except... every three minutes or so each machine gives a warning message
that .net has encountered a bounds violation. Both machines are
exhibiting exactly the same condition and both have been updated to the
very latest hot fixes. The only software besides that pre-loaded at the
factory that I have added is open-office and Firefox. Neither of these
need to be running to get this error so I doubt that either has anything
to do with it. I will look into the matter further when I have time.

Further, from what little I have seen I am not impressed with MS's recent
conversion to security. In Vista every program that you invoke causes the
OS to request that you confirm that you started it yourself before it
will run. No doubt this feature will prove a great productivity enhancer
until the user figures out how to turn it off. You think these people
would have learned from "Clippit", but noooo, let us roll out the same
annoying little aids so beloved by the under 20 set.

My next laptop is going to be a Linux box. I just cannot decide whether to
go Ubuntu or CentOS. I lean toward CentOS because I prefer a stable core
and I am willing to source and build my own personal apps. But, Ubuntu
seems to be more in tune with the desires of a desktop user. We shall
see.


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