Re: XP on new PC's
- From: "- Bobb -" <bobb@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:55:44 -0400
"Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:ghlv7416i7c1guivn5j7ejd6mkbu35umtt@xxxxxxxxxx
Don't blame HP. Blame Microsoft for designing an overly complicated product
prone to failure, unreliable operation, and security holes big enough to drive a
semi-truck through. That's why there are all the stinking patches that we all
have to apply and hope that they work.
BTW, some of the 97 updates are included in SP3, so if and when people are
confident that SP3 will work for them, simply install SP3 FIRST, then apply the
less-than-97 patches remaining. I've put SP3 on a memory stick. Much faster
than downloading every time... Ben Myers
Agreed, customer didn't want SP3 on the new ones.
Thanks
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:17:24 -0400, "- Bobb -" <bobb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
OP replying...
I wasn't complaining about SP3 missing: it was the other 97 updates. It
seemed that HP had Vista built for the box and due to demand for XP, they
said "we can do that". These 97 updates weren't released in the past few
weeks - they went back to last fall - and didn't include SP3. It seemed to
me that HP had an old XP image - they installed on this box - installed
drivers for the onboard hardware and THAT was their "ship image". They
then shipped it: leaving XP in "the state that it was whenever they made
that image", rather than getting it current to the date that the hw hit
production.
I went back there today and rebooted ( I left it running the updates
overnight). Rescanned for updates and with the 97 new updates now
installed, there were a few more updates to the updates. I rebooted then
noticed that IE7 hadn't installed ( it was checked as on of the 97
originally) , so manually went to MSFT website and elected to
download/install. I did that and rebooted - 3 more updates to IE7.
Rebooted, rescanned and SP3 is still outstanding but I stopped updating
at that point ( none of their other pc's have SP3 ).
My point in all of this was that for this business to "buy some new PC's"
required a LOT of time to get current. They/I expected it to be "fairly
close to being current". ( Then ran into "HP software" questions - I'll
ask in new thread. )
"Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Agreed. For better or worse, SP3 has not found its way into the name
brand
mainstream. The computer production line is stuck on SP2 with no
additional
critical fixes. Think of the problem the same way as individual and
corporate
users have to think: "Will thus and such update from Microsoft work on
my system
or leave it totally hosed?" Microsoft continues to have a pretty awful
track
record with its automatic updates, which is why it is probably better to
turn
them off.
Also, thinking about it from a name brand system assembler's point of
view, I
would have to "retool" my production like to include SP3 or any one of
the
Microsoft updates of questionable reliability. Better that they simply
stick
with loading up SP2, well known as reliable at this point.
Microsoft itself does not sell OEM versions of Windows XP with SP3
slipstreamed,
either. I built some systems this week and installed SP3 from a flash
stick,
rather than downloading the whole mess. Much faster if you regularly
install
Windows XP from scratch.
As to the slowness of a downgraded XP system as reported by the OP, is
it
possible that the base motherboard drivers are not installed or out of
date? I
would look at updating the motherboard chipset driver, at minimum... Ben
Myers
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:21:50 -0400, "HH" <hahunt42@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Most off the shelf XP installs have at best SP2 included, even the full
OEM
install CDs. I've not seen one with SP3 included. SP3 is only a few
months
old.
HH
"- Bobb -" <bobb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Anyone recently bought a "downgraded to XP " system ?
Just took delivery of 2 business SFF desktops with XP.
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06b/12454-12454-64287-321860-3328898-3459241-3459245-3747465.html
Today we started one and pc is REALLY sluggish.
After completing initial menu drive install I get sluggish response.
I checked event log once I rebooted - and see error "7011" .
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/811428/en-us
" The performance of the computer is slow ... after sysprep"
Could be - but doesn't make me feel good to see 'perhaps sysprep
related
problems with brand spanking new $1100 PC.
I ran "Windowsupdate". This PC arrived yesterday direct from hp.com.
and
need 96 UPDATES ! Without SP3, there were 96 'required updates'. I
added
WMP 11 to make it 97, clicked Install - and left for the night.
I'm heading back tomorrow and will reboot it with all updates now
installed and see if any better.
Anyone else take recent delivery of PC with XP ?
I EXPECTED SP3 installed. Seems like XP image is many months old - for
a
new PC.
Similar experiences ?
.
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