Re: God smites Christian Lott?

Alrighty, Fair enough.


"Max of Mad" <blah@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
> Must be a small part..


>> Who We Are needs to evolve NOT replace. Who We Are (as the mass majority
>> of the population) is a throw away society who can't remember anything
>> after 5 seconds as anything 5 minutes ago is like ancient history. Who
>> are we ? A society with NO understanding of backing our values. Who are
>> we, a people willing to throw away everything we believed in - just
>> because it became 5 minutes old. Who are we ? A society without respect
>> for history, heritage and its past. Who are we ? A society doomed to
>> fail. This country is not even a democracy or a republic. It is just a
>> congress of money blood sucking cons and total dipshits.
>>
>> Does this sound like our society or the direction it is heading
>> especially in the extreme progression towards this direction over the
>> last 25 years. Hell, not so many years ago, this country did a outright
>> violation of constitution and state backed mass murder of a
>> religion/church. Truth, - Waco, Texas. There were far better means to do
>> it and they knew it.
>>
>
> I'm not about 'replacing' anything. Just upholding liberty. By the way,
> the above 2 paragraphs are the best I've read in a very long time. I
> couldn't have said it any better. I mean that.
>>
>> First off, what makes a person an authority of anything in the past. Lets
>> see, being able to read and think of things in that environmental setting
>> and everything. They clearly wrote it. Fighting for a cause is something
>> that most in our society doesn't have a clue. First, ANYONE who ever
>> reads the Constitution and their history should be able to understand
>> their values. Anyone who knows the values of the Bible should also gain
>> principle understanding of the values. What defines a person as a so
>> called 'authority' ? In fact, is that 'popularity'. Would that mean
>> britany spears would be an authority ???? Oh give me a break.
>
> Debate. Common sense. A sense of history, a logical understanding of the
> past and what current events will be thought of by future historians.
> That's the authority, or at least it was..
>
> Nowadays, using the Bible to justify anything is just too dangerous.
> Education is more important than living by a 2000 year old work of
> philosophy that is written as fact. It is just as dangerous as using the
> Koran to justify something, or the Torah, or whatever work of philosophy
> one might choose. Logically speaking, if all three of those books are
> based on the same God, why does he contradict himself. Is he an idiot?

True. I didn't mean to literally use the Bible alone. But it is a part of
how our forefathers heart and value. There is one song in which is clearly a
respect of our forefather to their heritage and to God - author of liberty.
(I think you'll know what I mean and I think if God is real that he left us
to our liberty. Even in the Bible. Thus in the same spirit of mind, our
forefathers left us with liberty for ourselves to forsee this country in the
same spirit that God left to them. Not to say that everyone should be
identical. We have liberty and free will as the Bible is about. I think,
even if you don't believe in God that the Bible is a good reference of a way
of life. The moral story. Dangerous but one must not go too far. It helps to
understand the core values of our people.

I think that if one really reads all of these stories carefully, they all
are about peace and liberty. The moral story behind them all. Lets not
confuse the jihadist terrorists beliefs with what was really meant in all
those stories. All of the stories are written in the hands of each person
from their perspective. Is God an idiot ? We don't know. All we do know is
that the moral story is peace and liberty. That is the moral of Islam,
Christianity & Hebrew.


> Sorry for pouncing like that. It isn't what I intended to convey..
>
>>
>>>As for founding 'Values', where did that come from? What 'VALUES' are
>>>you talking about?? I pledge allegience to my next rent payment.
>>
>>
>> Pledge of allegence to the United States. You do not understand
>> allegence, and values UNLESS you have any for a meaningful cause greater
>> than yourself. The values are the principle believes that we live by.
>> Values like we treat others as we want to be treated.
>>
>
> I owe allegiance to my country. The USA. That's a given. What does one
> do when he can clearly see that his country does not represent him?
>
> He launches debates. He tries to get others to see common sense.

EXACTLY. This is why your points are great.

> <snip>

> Martin Luther was a good guy. I've no doubt about that. Freedom of
> Religion has its place in the USA. Religion, OTOH, does not. Kingdoms
> are old-school. Fighting for the Kingdom of Heaven, or Paradise, or
> whatever has gotten too many people killed and caused lotsa suffering.

Religion is a personal allegience in the spiritual level. I feel that the
government and the religious beliefs of people shall be seperate. Religion
and government are two seperate things. Allegience to the nation is also a
seperate thing.

>
> True enough. Liberty is dangerous, and that's why we have laws against
> it, to make it 'safe'. It is also dangerous because it allows people to
> try to impose their values on others, and it allows people to accept them
> without realizing it.

This is why our nation's forefather's had an impressive vision.

> The smart money there is in dangerous types of people creating laws that
> make it illegal to NOT accept their values.

That is why there is an area in which we must not cross. So understanding
the principle values of our forefathers can help in keeping us from crossing
way too far. They helped to define it enough. Sure it isn't exactly B&W. The
line is a grey area. As long as we know this grey area and understand what
we loose when a law is passed.

>>
>>>Which is not allowed under Republicanism. The word 'UNDER' means
>>>'beneath'. You are beneath the current government to question it. I'm
>>>afraid our forefathers didn't fight for that..
>>
>>
>> As in One nation UNDER God. Means everything is under the forever abiding
>> God's Word.
>>
>
> I don't subscribe to that. Sorry. :) I prefer peace to some silly
> interpretation of what God wants.

Fair enough.

>>
>>>I can tell you that I have a forefather who signed the Declaration of
>>>Independence. I know for a fact that he didn't sign up for
>>>Republicanism. Why? Because he was trying to escape it.
>>
>>
>> Back then, there really wasn't exactly this Republican/Democratic party.
>> We were all Americans. We all fought for our overall freedom.
>
> We didn't fight. Our forefathers fought. We just take it for granted.

Don't forget that you are fighting today. Not necassarily by blood but
fighting today for our key values that we don't want to loose.

>> The founding values is already written. The meaning is already written.
>> It allows for some flexibility but you can't just say liberty is for you
>> to have a million ladies humping you.
>
> LOL! No, liberty is the freedom to 'try' and probably not succeed. :)
>
>> Some things must not change or be forgotten. The fundamental value. To
>> have our own beliefs. Understanding the meaning in your own words is
>> different then replace the words or meanings like toilet paper.
>> Understanding means understanding the forefathers and what they fought
>> and bled for. Loss of goods, honor, child or spouse. Though their lives
>> may be wrenched away and for some their lives were wrenched away. Those
>> that hadn't continue fighting for what they valued and ultimately won the
>> day and established this country under those principle values and it is
>> written in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is clearly written
>> there. Understanding it in their eyes is the key to understanding.
>>
>> To many don't even understand it at all. Why they fight ? Too many young
>> will not fight because they do not understand the principle values.
>
> Too many young will not fight today because they DO understand. They'll
> sign up to DEFEND the United States. There is a difference here.. unless
> I am misunderstanding you.

I think I may have phrased it in a way that is misunderstood easily. Of
course, some of young will not sign up because they do lack and take things
for granted too much. OTOH, you make a fair point. I do however support our
soldiers who put themselves on the line. Yet, we have plenty of young that
don't value things because they don't value history. History is a key for
learning. Of course, we can't tell them to not do this or that. Let them
make their mistakes to learn from. We made our very own.

>> The things to fight for are the things that are not for ourselves but for
>> all of us. Not fight for your child but fight for OUR right to live,
>> believe and for OUR liberty and OUR pursuit of happiness. Note: It is not
>> yours and I but OUR. It is not for singularity but for all of us as a
>> unit. The Constitution is worded for all in terms of us all in unity. The
>> Bill of Rights speaks of our Constitutionary Rights as citizens but for
>> us all. Not for mine or your pursuit of happiness but for us all. The
>> value is thinking beyond yourself but to think about us all. That is the
>> key value of the forefathers. Not your personal agenda but OUR country's
>> agenda. Not your personal belief but our beliefs. See the idea here. That
>> is what the people are voted in office for. Not for their agenda but our
>> agenda. Often they do everything they can and is bought up by the rich
>> people who don't care about the people but getting more rich. That is the
>> injustice in our country.
>
> We have similar but not identical ideas on the same thing, and I think we
> are in a shaky agreement here via different paths.

I think we are on a fair enough point and from this message, I am
understanding what you mean and I think we are on a fair enough agreement.
No one is identical so we always will be on some shaky ground.



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