Re: Update #4 coming
- From: "Clockmeister" <no-one@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:47:50 +0800
"Glenn" <glenn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:3816.228T600T9051528glenn@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> + On 02-Jan-06 06:40:16
> +Clockmeister <no-one@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
>
>>>>Never had to. Their automatic updates have never caused me grief either.
>>>
>>> Lucky you.
>>>
>>> The automatic updates only gives problem for people not running a legal
>>> copy, or people with no good connection to internet..
>
>>First part no, second part yes. Automatic updates work perfectly well on
>>dodgy installs.
>
> No, not if you have a stolen serialnumber, wich many people have.
They sure do work just fine, only the manual updates don't work although
bypassing the check is very easy.
>>> Lucky enough I have free licenses for all MS operatingsystem so I can
>>> easilly update my gamingmachine (that is running XP) at home, but since
>>> i never ever would pay for windows I would have some troubles if I
>>> couldn't.
>
>>No you wouldn't.
>
> huh ? ofcoz I would if I used a serial number that got blocked.
Automatic updates continue to work as before.
>>> (Probably I wouldn't update it and only rely on my (BSD based) firewall,
>>> unfortunatly firewalls are pretty bad protection, especially for
>>> windows.)
>
>>My hardware firewall works fine.
>
> ..I could tell you about many scenarios where a firewall is totally
> useless, but I can take an example:
>
> You go into a cute webpage with your internet explorer, on that
> webpage there is code that IE runs due to one of the holes in it,
> that code opens up a tunnel to a hacked machine in russia with
> IE on port 80, then a someone log onto that machine and gain access
> to your machine, and start to hack pentagon with it.. ..your firewall
> did nothing coz it only saw webtraffic on the correct port, originating
> from a correct program (IE)
>
> ..There have been several similar bugs in IE..
If someone is determined to take over your computer it is completely
irrelevant what OS/browser you use since they will find a way. *ix security
holes can just as easily be exploited by a determined cracker.
> Basically a firewall stops traffic that you want to have, and it still
> doesnt make a good protection..
>
> You can use firewalls for two things..
>
> a) As an EXTRA protection
> b) To remove "crap traffic" in your network so it doesnt show up in logs.
My firewall is extra protection.
>
>
>>> They maintain it yes, but they often do just as I pointed out before,
>>> they workaround bugs instead of fixing them.
>>>
>
>>Well I can't think of any right now, can you?
>
> I usally doesnt hold microsoft bugs in my head no.. UTFG :)
I don't remember any off the top of my head either, so it's not an issue for
me.
>>>>They do fix them "for real".
>>>
>>> They are pretty wellknown for not doing that..
>
>>By the anti-MS crowd no doubt. I used to be one of them btw.
>
> Even people that actually like MS.. belive it or not..
Works well enough for me. I simply don't like *ix, I like to play the latest
games and use the latest products without having to worry about availability
or compatibility.
>
>>> Reminds me of when the windowspeople at work had to buy a new soundcard
>>> for
>>> ALL new dellcomputers since NT4 didnt support the one on the
>>> motherboard..
>
>>I've never used NT, never really had any problems with hardware on 95/98
>>or
>>XP though. (ME had some issues)
>
> Lucky you..
Luck has nothing to do with it, we're not talking about *ix now where pot
luck often plays a part.
>
>>> Also reminds me of when i bought my old worklaptop and first installed
>>> Fedora core4 on it thinking of keeping it for myself.. everything except
>>> for the wavelan worked directly out of the box.. then I decided to give
>>> it to my girlfriend and installed XP Pro on it, then it didnt have
>>> support
>>> for the gfxcard, soundcard, ethernet or the wavelan out of the box..
>>> after
>>> hours looking for drivers at fujitsu-siemens homepage I finally got
>>> everyting
>>> except the wavelan to work..
>>>
>>> Lucky me that I had another computer with netaccess and a CD-burner..
>>>
>
>>That is because you didn't install the OEM version of Windows that came
>>with
>>the laptop.
>
> Have you bought a laptop the last 5 years ? ..you kind of never get any CD
> with them anymore.. too expensive I guess.. IBMat least have an option
> so that you can boot from the standard install and then create a CD with
> all the original drivers and software on it.. But I never seen that on
> other
> brands unfortunatly.
You said old laptop.
> Also since we have a license for all microsoft OS'es we buy the laptops
> with cheapest possible version, and then reinstall it with what we want,
> usally Linux+XP pro dualbooting.
>
> Btw, did you know that it used to be cheaper to buy a laptop with
> windows on it that one with linux on it ? ..thats sick.
>
Linux support costs are much higher.
.
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