Re: Unipod Network Problem

In article <1d9ec91e4f.chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Chris Hughes <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In message <4f1e830466adopt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <070907002501@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Hedley Hunnisett <hedleyh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[..]
Never having used broadband, am I right in thinking that the router is
permanently on line? (I'm used to Dialup!). So to log on to a website
it's just a case of loading a browser, entering a URL and hitting Enter?

Yes, but you must not only leave the power to the
router permanently on, but the external line must
remain connected as well. The router is not just
a static switch, but a computer in it's own right,
maintaining and sorting your internet connections
and acting as a buffer - as your 'face' to the
outside world..

This is not correct! You CAN turn your router off at night or anytime
you want. Its just takes a few seconds longer for the router to pick
up the ADSL signal when you turn it back on. - The ADSL signal is
there all the time regardless of if the router is on or not.

Although I tend to leave mine on, thats personal choice and to do more
with my network then anything else.

First, I do take your points, Chris - and the points
laid by others, such as Steve.. :))

...but particularly here in that a router doesn't
'need' to be online the whole time, if one doesn't
wish it. (although read on a while)!

However, I daresay for many as for me, it's just so
much more convenient.

My machine, reliable as RISC OS is ;)) will often
be left on and used at various odd times throughout
the day and night, virtually 24/7!

So turning the router off isn't always a good idea -
Sod's Law will always have it as 'off' just when I
need it 'on'... like /now/ at 04h21..

btw.. dunno if it's just my router, but when it has
dropped or been switched off whilst changing equipment,
it takes more than a few seconds to re-establish the
connection.. more like a good minute or more, even a
lot longer if it finds it has to re-establish a line
or route. A bit of a drag just when you find you want
to use it and it's powered down...

(Shades of discussion about leaving your 'puter on
24/7 as well - I guess just like that, there are
advocates both for and against - and always will be).

...except (!!)..

I suppose when using BT's latest broadband hub 'phone
Total Broadband package - the one that works online
with your machinery ..and the one where the router is
also the base 'phone park and will share other things
as BT shift all their lines over to 24MB download
connections etc.

If you're expecting calls on your BT broadband number
...BT now give you two numbers, broadband with the usual
reduced rate inclusive evening/weekend or 24/7 calling
packages - (and the old basic line that has none unless
you pay a significant extra) - then I daresay you will
want to leave your router connected and powered 24/7.

Not sure how Paul Skirrow's Octopus systems might fare
as well, if you have everything switched off. I guess
not too well..

My reading of the BT literature is that they prefer the
router to be left powered on ..that way they can also
route help, upgrade info -perhaps virus and other filters
to the hub 'phone and router itself which, as I pointed
out, is a computer in it's own right and an individual's
'face' to the world.

Of course, returning to BT, Virtuous Virgin and similar,
they're also selling TV type connections and things
as well ..and back to my original.. it may be a help
to leave your router switched on for most of the time,
if not permanently...

One might be left in the dark, otherwise..

...and whatever, from Hedley's point of view, leaving
the router on shouldn't detrimentally affect the actual
broadband connection..

Treat your router as you would a DVDR, or VCR that
needs to be 'on-stanby' to retain timing and other
data - or overnight EPG downloading etc.

No.

...as above, not that I disagree as such, especially
for installations that don't require or look for
24/7 router connection.. ;))

Most digital 'phones have exactly the same 24/7 need.

No.

hmmm... mine do! If I expect to get any calls, that
is. Of course the phones themselves may not need to
be permanently charging ..but the base unit certainly
needs to be switched on for me to receive calls.

Perhaps you only switch yours on when you want to make
a call, or don't have any fax and/or answering or
messaging facilities through your 'phones, or through
you broadband connection..?

...although I must admit to keeping one wall phone
connected to and powered by it's independent BT line,
just in case the power fails on the others and I need
a 999 backup and the mobile cells have just wee'd
themselves..

...and I do so hate having to listen out for the drums
from the jungle office ..sort of spoils Mozart on the
Edison a bit :))



settle down into a consistent connection. They use this
breathing space - so they say - to judge the speed and
connection of the line as well as your likely use of it.

Basically correct, its the 10 days bedding period for ADSL Max based
services - rather then the fixed rate speed services.

:)) 24MB, shortly - for all practical purposes already
in some areas ;))

...although cf the Parisienne, who are already 24MB with
100MB being rolled out in the next couple or three months..

Paul, with Orpheus by way of comparison, does all this
in about five minutes, especially if you've just set all
his machine's alarms ringing at 03h00, forcibly turfing
him out of bed.. ;'))

Eh! What!

Private joke, Chris ..shared by the Orpheus Entity! You've
no idea of the remote electronic mess I can create or get
into ..or come to think of it, perhaps you can guess... ;')))

It may be that your TalkTalk line itself is still being
'activated'. Not saying it is, mind, but check with
TalkTalk - and believe little of what the answerwing
android reads from it's script until an attached TechBot
scuttles off to check...

This depends on if its a total TalkTalk provided service (phone and
broadband) or one TalkTalk provide in areas they don't have there own
equipment in the local exchange in which case it the normal ADSL Max
service.

But from previous comments in this thread he has already spoken to
TalkTalk at high cost to be told its operational.

mmm.. yes, OK :)) ..but what I was wondering is if TalkTalk
is doing a similar thing to BT ..ie taking ten days to a
couple of weeks to get the thing up to speed? I'm not clear
as to just how many days Hedley's line has been active?

Hence reason for the particular question/comment..

Does having the old modem still connected affect the issue?

Not in my experience - and John or Alan will have more
knowledge. From here I can use the modem as a fax modem
at the same time as I'm using the dsl broadband. Also,
if TalkTalk have left your old dialup protocols intact,
then you might possibly still be able to use that connect
into your account if broadband isn't working. (I think
PIPEX used to, or perhaps still do, something similar)...

You can indeed use your modem as fax at the same time as using your
broadband - no problem, I do all the time.

But you can't usually use broadband and a dial up connection at the
same time (except if you used two different computers then it is
possible in theory). Simple reason is the Internet stack/protocals
would not know which to use.

Yes ..we've already agreed that when I said it may be used
/if/ your broadband connection is 'down' and providing the
original dialup protocols are left intact.

Can't quite see the point of trying to use both IP
connections together, although I guess someone will
have an obvious use somewhere, if such is ever possible..

Time was when even computers couldn't multi (serially
speaking) task ..and few could see a reason as to why
the Tandy TRS 80, the earlier Atom boards or the later
baby Sinclair efforts would ever need to...

Then ..along happened Acorn ..and it's gift of networking
to that thoughtful, considerate and ever so helpful gent,
Mr W Gates!

I still think Acorn should have been give an award for
that kind act of corporative considerate charity... ;'))

The modem uses the 'Speech/Aural' part of the telephone
line - the dsl connection uses another frequency on the
same line, at the same time. (The two are most usually
separated by a filter - although this may, in some rare
cases, prove not to be necessary)...

Its always necessary, unless you have a Filtered master box
replacement.

mmm... not always necessary, some while ago now and
according to a Mr. A. Rawlings and Co.. ;)) Apparently
some installations could get away with it, depending on
the 'phone line!

Once upon a time, when many filters were being charged
out at much higher, exorbitant, rates than they are now,
Andrew's recommendation as I understood it was test first
and see if the line connect needed it.

He opined that, in his experience, not everyone needed
filters. You might care to discuss it with him, but
I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in receiving that advice
at the time. ;))

Still wise advice in so many areas ..even when purchasing
such simple things as special oxygen-free super-duper
digital connectors from such master electricians as Comet,
or PC World!

Have you seen the present cost of the 'optional' wireless
plug in extras needed just to connect BT's Wireless Total
Broadband? Someone, somwhere is making quite a few ackers
on a necessity, produced in the zillions at a cost of a
few pence each. ..but then, such is the /real/ world and
the ultimate gullibility of we, the British Consumer...

Me, btw ..I've always had a filter - Paul had a batch of
them he was trying to sell - so it might just be a combined
RComp RISC OS/Darkside PC machine thingy at the time..?!

Cable is different.

No experience ..but, as always Chris, I'm more than
happy to believe, or at least listen intently, to
your advisory thoughts.. O:))


Bill (The Knees) ZFC


PS ..and /very/ sincere apologies to Hedley if you believe
all this Big Boy Chest Rattling is just so much confusing
noise.

Not intentional. :))

The answer to your connect problem will become clear and,
one way or another, you will enjoy the speed and the
facility that your broadband connection will give you.

There are a lot of specialist Internet Providers and others
around here who really should know what they're talking about
and have been able (or will be able) to better advise.

Whatever.. Good luck.. it's be like having an extra pair
of lungs with which to breathe once your Broadband is
working as you wish... :))

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