Re: RISC OS is still better
- From: Glenn Richards <glenn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:04:23 +0000
pv wrote:
Pluto, according to the author, doesn't do IMAP, and never will do IMAP.Well, to be pedantic, it's the MTA which does the IMAP or POP, not the email client. Thunderbird happens to have the MTA built-in - one of the restrictions of both Windows AND Mac OS in that each individual email client seems to want to download mail, rather than having a single (POPstar like) MTA to download the mail and then the client pick it up. Anyway, I digress....
You are correct for POP3 from a certain point of view, but not IMAP.
Think of IMAP as equivalent to the WIMP messaging protocol between Messenger (not Pro) and Newsbase. Newsbase acts as the repository, Messenger is the MUA (Mail User Agent). You then attach POPstar or FreeSMTP to Newsbase to act as the MTA (Mail Transfer Agent), although IIRC later versions of Newsbase have an SMTP server built in, so don't require FreeSMTP. (Been a while since I used this stuff!)
The idea is, mail is delivered to a server using SMTP, or fetched from the ISP using a POP3 daemon, stored in a repository on the server, then accessed using IMAP.
That's how I do things here, and it means I can access the same email account from my desktop PC, my *nix workstation, either laptop, Nokia Communicator or webmail, without having to worry about stuff going out of sync.
Corporate email in any company with more than one employee should work the same way, using the server as a repository and a protocol such as IMAP to allow an MUA to access email without worrying about whether a message has been downloaded and deleted from the server. M$ Exchange works like this but uses named pipes when communicating with Outlook (note - I don't like Outlook one bit, but include it for completeness).
I'm sure you're aware of all this btw, I'm going into detail for the benefit of others who may not know the difference between POP3, IMAP, SMTP or BS. :-)
Messenger Pro doesn't do IMAP, you need MPro Online for that.Erm, yes. So? Also, the Ant Suite does IMAP (some years before Thunderbird too), and many people still rely on Marcel for IMAP connections.
Yes... Marcel is bloody awful though!
Netscape Communicator (ancestor of Thunderbird) always did IMAP. Mozilla did IMAP. Thunderbird was just a rather clever idea of splitting all the components of Mozilla (mail/news, calendar, web browser etc) into separate applications - incidentally just like the RISC OS world does things - which was a very good idea. Because then you don't end up with a 25MB binary sat in memory the whole time!
MPro at the last count still couldn't display HTML formatted messages (note I said display, not send, some people's email software sends HTML by default and they don't know how to turn it off).Emails should never be in HTML format. Just because things like FrontPage convert emails into webpages and then send them as attachments and because some people are too stupid/ignorant to configure their email clients correctly doesn't make it correct.
Most people actually don't know what HTML mail is, and certainly don't know how to turn it off. Note that I said "display" not "send" in my original posting - I *never* send HTML formatted emails from Thunderbird.
The only thing I ever send as HTML are newsletters and invoices, and then ONLY when the customer has explicitly stated as such. When you sign up to the newsletter on my own site, and others I've put together, the mail format always defaults to "plain text", and if someone's changed it to HTML then they know the emails are going to be larger etc.
Remember, the customer is always right. They may be a blithering idiot, incompetent, retarded... but they're always right. :-P
Yes it does.Does Oregano do CSS properly now? Last version I looked at didn't have CSS capability.
Fair enough. As I said, last time I looked at it there was no CSS support.
There is not only an SSH version of Nettle (http://www.riscos.org/cgi-bin/search?q=nettlessh) but there are also
various SSH plugins for the ordinary Nettle, such as Peter Naulls
port of SSH and Alex Macfarlane Smith's port of plink (http://www.riscos.org/cgi-bin/search?q=plink)
Again, fair enough. Last time I checked there wasn't, but that was a while back.
Run arbitary ansi tasks in their own windows for a start. Also the flexibility on various terminal types and combinations of bash
environment seems a bit hit and miss on PuTTY, whereas I prefer
Nettle's hotlist management. PuTTY seems to have problems with some
varieties of Solaris shell environment.
If I'm doing serious *nix work, I slide my chair 2 feet to the right and use a "real" xterm app in X (under NetBSD). For logging in to a server and restarting a few daemons or scp-ing a few files across, there's not much difference.
I did like Nettle, and I like PuTTY as well. I'd say that's probably a dead heat.
Also, from a graphics point of view, there seems more flexibility in Nettle's choice of fonts and colours.
I guess, but I'm quite happy with the default PuTTY font, and if I'm running a shell session I generally like white on black. (xterm is black on white, but hey, it works.)
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