Re: PICs in general, PIC language questions, pic hardware questions
- From: "blueeyedpop" <blueeyedpop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:57:10 -0700
Thanks!
"Alex Gibson" <news@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
> "blueeyedpop" <blueeyedpop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > Hi Group,
> >
> > Saw some posts here on the PIC, and it got me thinking. I played around
> > with
> > them back when the 12c508 was the hot ticket. Used the UV eraseable
ones,
> > and I swear I nearly killed my wrists opening and closing my eraser, not
> > to
> > mention having 5 or 6 of them so I didn't have to wait for the eraser.
Now
> > they are in circuit programmable, which makes them a lot more appealing.
> >
> > I also remember my CCS compiler, which did a servicable job most of the
> > time, but more often than not, I resorted to writing everything in
> > assembler, just to get the speed and control I needed, or to circumvent
> > some
> > pecularity of the software.
> >
> > I thought I would revisit these things, and put the results in my N&V
> > column.
> >
> > 1) Whats the "hot ticket" language/environment.
> > 2) What is involved with in circuit programming, and does it also
> > provide
> > in circuit debugging?
> > 3) What is the "workhorse" of the PIC world these days?
> > 4) Does someone make an edu-board, that also doubles as a programmer?
> > 5) Any comparisons between CCS, HTsoft, MicroElectronics?
> > 6) Anything else I may have overlooked?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
> No need for UV erasers any more.
>
> 1. depends on what you like and what you are using
> For windows mplab or your favourite text editor
>
> sourceboost c - works for 12/16 and 18f pics
> http://www.picant.com/c2c/c.html
>
<http://sourceboost.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=23ae3d15d76291d85d4881a3d2931c1a
&showforum=1>
>
> supported chips
>
http://sourceboost.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=23ae3d15d76291d85d4881a3d2931c1a&showtopic=961
>
> Jal is one of my favourites
> http://jal.sourceforge.net/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jallist
> http://www.voti.nl/jal/index.html
>
> If you prefer forth there are a couple of choices
>
> pic forth
> http://www.rfc1149.net/devel/picforth 16f only
> http://tutor.al-williams.com/picforth1.htm
>
> http://pic18forth.sourceforge.net/ 18f
>
> python for pics for 16f
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyastra/
>
> 2. microchip icd2 (or clones) - windows only
> Can program and debug all flash pics from inside mplab
>
> clone sold by www.sparkfun.com made by olimex.com
>
> Cheap programmer option (also work with linux , freebsd , mac)
> but not for debugging.
> The kitsrus.com usb programmers K150 or 182
> http://www.kitsrus.com/upuc.html
> http://www.beam.to/diyforum forum for the programmers
> http://www.kitsrus.com/icsp.html
>
> 3. Depends on what level (hobbiest , commerical etc)
> and for what purpose and what size.
>
> 12f675 - 8 pdip
> 16f628 /16f628a - 18pdip
> 16f877 / 16f877a - 40 pdip
> 16f876 - 28pdip
> 18f1320 - 18pdip
>
> 18f242 / 252 / 442 / 448 / 452
> now 18f 2420 / 2520 / 4420 / 4480 / 4520 (recent changes) 40 pdip
>
> The new flash usb pics 18f4550 / 2550 etc
> run at 48MHz
>
<http://www.microchip.com/ParamChartSearch/chart.aspx?branchID=111&mid=10&la
ng=en&pageId=74>
>
> If getting back into pics go with the 18f's there is a free c
> compiler (student version) from microchip
>
> 4. Depends on what you want to pay and the features you want.
>
> I like the pic18f4550 PICdem Full speed usb board
>
http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en021940&part=DM163025
>
> The 64/80-pin TQFP Demo Board
>
http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en021940&part=DM163025
>
> also the www.edtp.com boards if you are interested in ethernet or
wireless
> using a pic (also have boards for the new microchip spi to ethernet
devices)
> http://www.edtp.com/framethrower.htm
>
> futurlec.com has some dirt cheap pic boards
> http://www.futurlec.com/PICDevBoard.shtml
> http://www.futurlec.com/PIC18F458Training.shtml
>
> 5. Don't forget boost c / picant www.picant.com
>
> forum at
>
> and also FED C
>
> Jal is one of my favourites
> http://jal.sourceforge.net/
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jallist
> http://www.voti.nl/jal/index.html
>
> If you prefer forth there are a couple of choices
>
> pic forth
> http://www.rfc1149.net/devel/picforth 16f only
> http://tutor.al-williams.com/picforth1.htm
>
> http://pic18forth.sourceforge.net/ 18f
>
> python for pics for 16f
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyastra/
>
> http://massmind.org/techref/microchip/languages.htm
>
> links
>
> mplab 7.20
>
http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en019469&part=SW007002
>
> microchip C18 compiler (student version)
>
http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en010014&part=SW006011
>
>
> Alex
>
>
> 18f pics
>
http://www.microchip.com/ParamChartSearch/chart.aspx?branchID=1004&mid=10&lang=en&pageId=74
>
>
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