Re: Why I endorsed the Kodak 5100, 5300, & 5500 printer that everybody hates!!!

Art,
Thanks for your reply. Here is my comments.

Of these core people, one is now a retired employee of a major inkjet
manufacturer. One or possibly two work in the 3rd party and refill
printer consumable markets. The one I am sure of, keeps his options
very well balanced and rarely even steps into the issue of OEM versus
3rd party consumables. Two or three are just power users of inkjet
products and may sell their output product and do a lot of printing. The
rest, including myself partially fit into that last group or assist on
some websites, provide free consulting services or general free service
help and have no affiliation with any printer related businesses whatsoever.

Can you please tell me who these people are. I would like to
correspond with them through personal email.


So, you are WAY off base. Kodak has a representative here who responds
to questions regarding Kodak's paper and printer products.

Cool, maybe Kodak will read my post and give me the free printer.

Personally, I wish there was active interest by Canon,
Lexmark, HP and Epson (and others) enough to make their reps accessible
here.

You're tell me that you don't think Measekite has a financial interest
in Canon. Why would somebody spend a lifetime promoting OEM ink.

As to Kodak's product, there are both good and bad to be considered.
I have yet to to see the quality of the output and I have no idea how
the heads will end up responding (lifespan, clogging, etc).

I haven't seen the quality either. However, I figure that either way
the consumer wins. If Kodak has a successful printer, and the quality
is decent, the other printer companies will still be pressured to
lower their price of OEM ink. However, if everybody lowers the price
of OEM ink, then the after market ink companies will suffer the
most.


I am opposed to any system that makes 3rd party and refill inks
difficult or impossible to use, on a number of grounds. Firstly, it
probably violates laws in several countries where it is not legal to
force people to buy specific consumables. Secondly, companies go out of
business or stop providing consumables (Kodak unfortunately tends to
abandon whole product lines and move out of certain industries more
often than others in the industry), things like that can lead to
millions of units to become obsolete overnight if the consumables become
unavailable. This can put a lot of units into the landfill overnight.
Thirdly, it creates a type of extortion, since the users become reliant
upon the OEM products, so prices are in total control of the
manufacturer without the usual market forces.

If I had a choose, I would favor your opinion on this. That's the
reason why I wrote the article about Dataproducts being the #1 choose
from consumer reports. I'm still working on my research for the #1
product to refill Canon and Epson printers. Do you have any unbiased
facts that you can recommend?


Also, some people wish to use a non-standard inkset for special use like
black and white printing, or a special ink type like dye sublimation.
Lastly, the technology required to make printers only accept OEM ink
cartridges tend to make them more costly and complex and can and do make
them work more poorly, or not at all, as a result of these system
breaking down. Ask how many people using OEM ink cartridges end up
having their printer not acknowledge the cartridge due to communications
issues between the cartridge and the printer.

Sorry, I'm not that knowledgable in this subject. I don't
understand. My goal isn't to be a advocate on the computer forum.
Actually I was suppose to move on to another topic like regligion.
However, because FRANK AND MEASEKITE had such passion in what they
believed. It made me do some more research on figuring out "WHY IN
THE WORLD DOES EVERYBODY HATE ME?" It neat though. Frank and
Measekite has made me popular. Hopefully one day you will see me on
TV as the next Fight Back with David Horitiz. (I can't even spell his
name.)

My first color Epson printer (the Stylus color) cost $1000 (1996 in
Canadian dollars). The huge cartridges which were a good 6-10 times
larger than some today and were about $40 each (for the CMY) and the
black was perhaps $30. Those were still somewhat inflated costs for the
cartridges, but reasonable in relationship to the printer cost. The
Stylus Color is still running today, because it was built to last. It
had a 2 or 3 year manufacturer's warranty, and they covered all shipping
in both directions if it broke under warranty.

I had the Epson FX-80. I use to refill the ribbon cartridges. Now
that was a challenge. Always inconsistent, but I saved a lot of
money. I guess if you include that printer, I've actually been doing
refilling for 25 years.



Today, you can buy similar (in terms of printing abilities) printers for
$60 CAN or less, the cartridges cost about $60 or more to replace, but
the amount of ink is considerably less. The warranty is now one year at
best, and the cost to ship to the warranty depot is only covered on some
models. The printers rarely last much beyond 18 months. Difficult to
justify repairing such a printer, and difficult to even justify buying
OEM ink when it costs the same as a new printer with ink.

I remember when printer had the best rebates. I would buy a new
printer when my ink ran out. Then I would sell my old one on
recycler.com. However, these days it better to sell them on
Craigslist.

So, if you want to accuse me of anything, accuse me of supporting 3rd
party consumables because they allow people to use their printers longer
without discarding them. Its the same reason I offer people service
advice to keep their printer going. If, overall, 3rd party consumables
ruined the printers, it would be completely contrary to my purpose.

I'm sorry. I like you. Same thing with me. I don't know why people
are accusing me of being Measekite. If somebody want to accuse me of
being something, call me a cheapskate, a wannabe david hortiz, or
maybe mr. bad grammar. At least these accusation are true. However,
being known as Measekite it untrue.


So now you know my "bias", and my reasoning. I have never, and I mean
never, made a cent on any ink product, printer consumable, printer,
printer service, or printer consulting. Many have offered to pay me,
and I have always encouraged them to send the money to a charity of
their choice (I try to suggest an environmental organization or a human
development organization, but I never make any requirements).

As stated before, can you help me with finding some factual unbiased
information on which after market ink refill company to use?


thanks,
stan

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