Re: Minix = Just another Free UNIX?
- From: Markus E Leypold <development-2006-8ecbb5cc8aREMOVETHIS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:22:16 +0100
"JohnQ" <johnqREMOVETHISprogrammer@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
"Tux Wonder-Dog" <wes.parish@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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JohnQ wrote:
I hope not. I'm from the Windows world of APIs so I abhor the UNIX-isms.
They are so hard to grasp! For example, signals. Who needs 'em if you
have
a nice clean event model? And who forks anymore? That is soooo yesterday.
My point is this: Minix shouldn't be "competing" with free UNIX/Linux. It
should be bold and jetison tradition and conformity when beneficial: it
should one-up Windows and Mac!
John
I think the word is "Put up or shut up." If you know the Win32 API and
consider it a good-enough API, and dislike the POSIX-style, then nobody's
stopping you from writing an OS that 'one-ups' Windows, and does it better
than Microsoft can. After all, Atheos was designed around a combination
of
the Amiga OS API and the BeOS API, and its fork, Syllable, is one of the
most promising new OSes.
Minix has been around and was designed to be a Unix-class OS, without many
of the problems Unix have accumulated. It's not going to change just on
your say-so.
So, you've got a challenge now - 'one-up' Microsoft Windows and let us
know.
I would (and personally, I think it is pretty easy to do so), but
unfortunately, I don't have that much time left to live nor do I have the
resources to do so.
"Not having the time or the ressources" is actually the proper
definition of "not so easy". Furthermore consider wether the
project should become an exercise for personal gratification or
something other people use: Windows got "one-upped" often enough (by
Unix more than once in my count, also by OS/2), Unix got "one-upped"
by Plan9 and Amoeba. Is anybody using those system? If not, what are
the reasons? Actually this illustrates very well, that technical
superiority without (enough, mental/conceptual) compatibility will
leave a new system out in the cold.
My question though was to prompt consideration or get
feedback on what the "plan" is for Minix.
Question? It was a call to change things and to deviate from proven
good practice. Without you providing any good alternative.
Let me repeat my questions: What is your alternative API design?
You seem to be confirming that Minix is going to pretty much be yet
another UNIX-like OS (but I don't know who the "powers to be" are
that make or will make or have made that decision are).
Is already another UNIX-like OS. Has been for some umpteenth years.
At this early juncture in its evolution, I was wondering if (or
Which early junctions? Are you sure you're not reading Google archives
from somewhere around the end of the 80s?
suggesting that) Minix could have a greater
ambition/potential. Basicly Windows and UNIX both suck, but have
their their merits. Synthesizing (or simply learning from) those
could be pivotal.
What exactly do you suggest? Could you provide _some_ more details,
please?
Maybe OS X has already done that? Or Open Solaris?
So you don't know? Why don't you find out?
Just a thought.
Well, think some more.
(BTW, your attitude really sucks).
Mine too.
Regards -- Markus
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