Re: About those IMAP questions (was Re: Bogus From: Header ...)

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:35:04 +0100, NM Public wrote:

Sur 2006-06-17, Beartooth skribis:

OT, but I keep meaning to ask : what language is skribis? Esperanto, maybe?

I have no idea whether Ddave has any sort of pine.conf
anywhere, fixed or not.

pine.conf and pine.conf.fixed are usually located in
/usr/local/lib -- it's a good idea to see if those exist and what
they contain on all your machines.

I see :

[btth@localhost ~]$ ls -a /usr/local/lib
. libfly libfly.2.0.0 libfly.la libnautic.2
libnautic.a
.. libfly.2 libfly.a libnautic libnautic.2.0.0
libnautic.la
[btth@localhost ~]$

on one of my local machines. All the rest, including titan, show only .
and ..

* Please open each of your roles and copy & paste the
smtp-server, if it exists, into a followup to this message.
For example, please post something like the following:

role1
smtp1.example.com

The only one I've been using :

Set Template = <No Value Set>
Set Other Hdrs = Subject: [babblexia] (fwd)
Use SMTP Server = <No Value Set>
Use NNTP Server = <No Value Set>

Incidentally, that was working fine this morning. When I used
it twice this afternoon, I got bounces, some claiming "refused
by user" -- even though the users named are some of my most
valued regulars, who would never start refusing, because they
comment on lots.

It sounds like the outgoing SMTP server you used is on one (or
more) block list. This is a problem that everyone is having these
days and is one of the reasons that I recommended that you get a
backup email service provider.

One more thing I gotta get back to: one bounce showed a lot of URLS; I
tried one, got through to one of my subscribers, and discovered the U of
MN has been bedevilling its staff with some such. <sigh>

role2
smtp2.example.net

The only other I have, and should probably delete, since it gets taken
as relaying :

[and therefore blocked by many if not most ISPs]

Initialize settings using role : <No Value Set>
Set From = Beartooth <Beartooth@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Set Reply-To = <No Value Set>
Set Fcc = <No Value Set: using "value from fcc-name-rule">
Set LiteralSig = <No Value Set>
Set Signature = <No Value Set: using "default (sig/venato)">
Set Template = <No Value Set>
Set Other Hdrs = <No Value Set>
Use SMTP Server = mail.adelphia.net
Use NNTP Server = <No Value Set>

My guess is that none of these have an smpt-server setting, but I need
to be sure.

* Also, please tell me how many roles you have set up.

If I delete the second one, only one.


Thanks for the info Beartooth. I recommend that you do *not* delete your
adelphia.net role, but change its nickname to something like this:

Nickname: Adelphia.net (use only if other roles don't work)

You mean that literally? A role with a dot, a parenthesis, and a bunch of
spaces in its name?? On linux???

Incidentally, I just remembered that, on the rare occasions when I boot
the one machine to XPPro/SP2, I do have PC-Pine on it. I use it *very*
rarely, and only for two purposes: to pass very long URLs to it from the
real (i.e., linux) OSs; and to email screenshots of maps made with
proprietary software from it to the real OSs, to be made into desktop
backgrounds a/o to be emailed in public formats to potential visitors.

So I see no point in including it in all this unless absolutely necessary
-- i.e., it would break things. But I suppose I ought to change its
incoming and outgoing addresses to mailworks.org, right?

The plan is to transition you away from this role, but you will need it
for the following:

1] email communication with Adelphia.net

That's IF even adelphia will accept relayed messages, isn't it? Why not
just email adelphia from titan or mailworks? Or use Adelphia's webmail
site? I have a login there, though I've used it only once in the last
couple years -- to set up the autoforward to titan.

2] unsubscribing from any lists or other solicited bulk email
that you get at that address

That's something I was going to ask about. The only list I get there, the
AbiWord one, comes only because the AbiWord developers are too busy or too
uninterested to make their software (majordomo) accept a nomail setting;
I actually prefer to follow the list, like every other I can, on Gmane.
And pine against adelphia keeps its filters in cold molasses -- it's far
quicker and easier to delete all mail from that list manually than to wait
for a filter to deep six it. So is fastmail's filtering going to be fast?
(I did ask once on c.m.p whether filtering speed reflected IMAP vs. POP3
-- but never got any answer.)


Gmail

I try to be paranoid and can't keep up; but I can at least keep my
distance from as much of google as possible, including deleting cookies
hand over fist ...

Understood (and I approve!).


How much am I apt to use this backup? I've been thinking of getting a
local dialup, which is linux-friendly, for the times adelphia is so far
down that I can get to neither ssh nor web nor adelphia mail -- i.e.,
just for short term emergencies. Would that do? Or is it something I
may spend whole days on?

No that would not do. You want to get an email service provider that is
completely independent of any of your Internet *access* providers. If
you do get this linux-friendly dialup, which sounds like a good idea,
the email account with them will be in the same category as your
Adelphia email account, i.e.:

Nickname: dialup.net (use only if other roles don't work)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Apart from the question of role names, which I asked above, are you saying
I would then include the dialup in the titan settings -- on the grounds
that it would have some use other than when either titan or my adelphia
connection to it is down?

And am I going to get to it by phone, or through adelphia, or what??

You are going to get it *through the Internet*!

Remember the diagram I drew the other day with all the Internet
protocols and servers? The point of that diagram was this:

Your ability to access Internet services is independent of your
Internet *Access* Provider.

My guess is that the reason you are confused about this is because some
access providers, for example AOL, have tried to lock people into using
their Internet services, for example their email services.

Well, by the time I retired and needed private access, I'd been on the Net
long enough to know better than try AOL -- I barely managed to tolerate
earthlink till I could get something else. But of course I'd been working
in a place where we had layer behind layer behind layer of backup -- there
were at least four layers inside the cataloging directorate, between us
and the ITS directorate. So access was something I had always taken for
granted.

You want to break away from any kind of lock in. It's important for your
own personal flexibility and freedom, but it's also important for the
general health of the Net.

Be free/libre!

Well, I think at least I understand a little better now. Thanks!

--
Beartooth Staffwright, Wordcrafty Squirreler
FC5; Pine 4.64, Pan 0.14.2.91; Privoxy 3.0.3; CXO 5.0.1
Dillo 0.8.5, Opera 8.54, Firefox 1.5, Galeon 2.0.1
Remember I have little idea what I am talking about.

.

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