More Windows Ruby stuff (was Re: Zed Shaw - Ruby has dodged a bullet)

Luis Lavena wrote:
- Build with MinGW also requires proper testing, which I've tried to
get some assistance on this list and also on ruby-core about serious
issues (blockers) without success too (hey, maybe I need to learn
english, since I think noone understand what I write).

I can't help you with ruby-core, but I *can* test MinGW (and Cygwin,
which I prefer) versions of Ruby. :) I think the real issue isn't
performance or open versus closed source, though. The real issue is that
a large number of Windows "workstations" are inside very tightly
controlled IT environments, and *anything* other than approved software
is frowned upon. That includes One-Click, MinGW, Cygwin, and lots of
other things.

Now if you're talking about *servers*, I'd be inclined to join in the
chorus of "get a real OS". ;) Seriously, though, Windows servers *using
all of the native Microsoft tools* have an unjustified bad reputation.
They're fine tools, the performance is competitive with the LAMP stack
(now), and the .NET development environment is world-class. But why pay
the Windows license fees for the base server OS if you're going to run
Apache, MySQL or PostgreSQL, and Ruby/Rails or PHP? Why not just get
Debian, Fedora, CentOS (free), or even RHEL, which is cheaper than
Windows Server?




Not directed at you of course Luis. Appreciate your hard work at bridging the gap. :-)

I know you don't. I even had my differences with other developers on
this list, ruby-core or #ruby-lang, and sent my apologizes when
needed.

You must thank Zed, Curt, Nobu and Austing, without them and their
comments I wouldn't be so active, lack of feedback is negative, more
when you're working in your free time.

I must accept the fact I'm not a easy person to deal with, and that
many "companies" will not like my attitude for a "team work".

On a On-Topic thing, if you remove the cursing and bad words from
Zed's lengthy post, you will find a deep, not-so-far-from-truth
reality. Now replace 'Rails' with J2EE, dotNet or even SAP, and you
will find that this new virus is infecting the community is nothing
new, is a old decease that existed way before Ruby became "mainstream"
due Rails. I can call it a 'suck-energy-from-community' decease.

Anyway, I cannot comment on the personal relations or the
personalities Zed mention in his post, since I haven't dealt with them
and cannot discuss these personal issues in such open way like Zed
did. But again, that is Zed's POV and his ideas, agree or not with
them.

For what matters, Zed was the only developer back in 2006 (or even
2007) I've met that from day zero shown openness and desire to get
Mongrel working on Windows. Hey, he even setup a Windows box and
installed FreeBASIC just to build mongrel_service there!

Some folks may consider my comments useless since I can be Zed's
friend. I hope he consider me that way, since I respect him as human
being and his work. All this time we've chat, mailed or IM we talk and
share ideas with respect.

Hope other users don't follow the main line of this thread and start
doing the first thing they critize from Zed.

Everybody have a nice week!

Regards,

Luis Lavena




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