I need an Oberon compiler
- From: Ulrich <whywouldyousendspam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:01:39 +0100
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:37:15 +0930, "Chris Burrows" <cfbsoftware@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"A.L." <alewando@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:g2k3k1dhluihki9nnbi993h3r3su0rd63i@xxxxxxxxxx
you know what "dead" means? Nobody is using it any more and nobody cares about it any more. This is a nice piece to be in the Museum Of History of Computing, but this is about all.
Hogwash - if you want to troll go elsewhere. I guess you'd say that COBOL is dead as well?
No, COBOL is sitll the language number one.
The nice thing about such nonsensical generalisations is that they are so easily disproven. Try telling Magic Mouse productions that nobody cares about Modula-2 any more:
So what?...Who cares about Magic Mouse?... The fact that Magic whowever is using Modula doesn't mean that language is dead. Nobody cares about Modula any more. Check the traffic on Modula group. Not saying about the traffic in this group.
You are demontrsting the same type of attitude like people on
comp.lamg.lisp and other dead language groups: "I LOVE the language
then anybody whos says that language is irrelevant is a troll". And
if there is somebody who wrote "commercial" 3 liner in Lisp, they
are full of enthusiasm that "Lisp is alive". And everybody is
looking fior this "magic application" that will convince the whole
world that Lisp is better.
It seems that you are in the same camp.
I was ethusiastic user of Modula and Oberon, I have all compilers for Modula and Oberon, I have all printed books. Pascal was the revolution. But Modula was barely noticed. Oberon was not noticed at all. This was dead end of computer evolution. Nobody is using Modula. Everybody is using Java and C#. Attempt to change this is like an attempt to stop a river with a fork. Even if you and Mouse whatever is using Modula, this doesn't change the fact: nobody is using Modula and Modula is dead.
I hope, it do not nervt you not that I write you on German (Polish I cannot). Besides nearly all upper on programmers Deutsch understand, because Oberon is used particularly in German-language countries (Pascal by the way also).
I am very impressed by your Modula and upper on history. Me it nervt also that these good languages are used rarely. It nervt me both, because I can do it well and much time invested, and, because as I really consider it better many other languages, which are common further. But as many bad programs to be written so long and so long again and again - also very large - programming projects fail, I do not give hope up that for alternatives one searches.
Also in the evolution it was not always in such a way that central or on a long-term basis became generally accepted that species, at the beginning dominated. Besides realizations of Wirth languages flowed again and again into other languages (in reverse naturally also). In the evolution of the ideas the Trias "Pascal, Modula, Oberon" is nevertheless very successful.
Finally: Is a language dead, if a program, which is developed me it, in millions of devices its service does and also in the future will do? Is a language already dead, if only less than 1024 developers with it work, even if thereby vital services is furnished?
I personally do not believe that, because in the world of the ideas it depends not on the quantity but on the quality. In order to develop a language further, as new ideas are inserted as for example messages as own type or an innovative development and distribution system is lifted like the sensational upper on system of the University of Ulm (Borchert Andreas et alii) from the baptism or even its own operating system is developed like native Oberon (Muller Pieter) and Bluebottle (ETH), one needs only some good people. And by the possibility of using components which were developed in any language, one is not forced to implement everything if one uses a niche language.
I write nearly everything in Modula-2 or Oberon and maintain for example my upper on translators themselves. What is to happen to me? Why should I use another language?
But back to the topic: Is Pascal for you also a dead language? Can you explain, why the Pascal people on module a2 not to change?
I with Google translated. Unfortunately there is no Polish translation possibility.
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