[LogoForum] Re: Running Logo on the Web

• From: "logo_programmer" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
• Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:54:02 -0000

The message below is being cross-posted from LogoForum.

Dear David,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to
this problem of mine.
Please find my comments interspersed below.

--- In LogoForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "david_costanzo"
<david_costanzo@xxxx> wrote:

--- In LogoForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "logo_programmer"
<gene_sullivan@xxxx> wrote:

As I frequently use computers as my local library I
had long been frustrated by the inability to use
software which couldn't be `installed' (EG stuffed
into the `program files" directory) of the ever
so delightful Monopolysoft Windoze OS misused on
these otherwise public computers.  I found that
I couldn't use MSWLogo due to this restriction.

I have installed FMSLogo (which is essentially the same thing as
MSWLogo) to a folder other than "Program Files" from a
limited account and was able to use it without any major problem.

Okay.  I'm getting excited by the thought that I may be able
to use MSWLogo-come-FMSLogo again real-soon-now.

If you are not allowed to install any software on the machine,
 but you are allowed to copy files onto the hard disk, then
you should be able to run FMSLogo from a ZIP file.

Ahhh. `Should' ... but from a ZIP file.
When I attempt to decompress a ZIP file from the particular computer
I am presently using at my local library I get the ever-so-delightful
Windoze dialogue box prompting me for the program which will work
upon the particular zip file.  My point? If the logo distrobution is
not self-extracting to, say, a desktop folder then a user -- any
random user -- just might experience a snafu which precludes him or
her from using an otherwise delightful implementation of Logo.
Moreover, some users may not even be clever enough to attempt to
`install' to a desktop folder when a `default' installer setting
attempt to install it in `program files'.
Thus, it just might be USEFUL to allow a user to do a `one shot',
per-session installation to a desktop folder as an option presented
when the user attempts to lure the genie out the magic bottle posing
as a self-extracting file.
Just a thought.  Your call.

If you are not allowed to copy files onto the hard disk, you should
still be able to run FMSLogo from a CD or USB pen drive.

By way of feedback, I was beckoned forth by one of the staff of my
local library about 3 days ago to respond to `a problem' `a patron'
was having with trying to attach a file resident on a USB thumb/pen
drive.  Come to find out, `the patron' was the/a daughter of the
author of _Confessions of a Used Program Salesman_.  On the computer
she was attempting this otherwise run-of-the-mill task there were
icons on the desktop of files downloaded off/from the internet.  She
was unable -- due to `security' settings -- to access her USB thumb
drive.  She was unable to copy the file-to-be-attached to the desktop
as a Towers-of-Hanoi intermediate `peg' to which she could then
attach the file at issue.  But if she wanted to download some
arbitrary file from the internet onto the desktop that was allowed.
This is the kind of `security' those attempting `ubiquitous
computing' on Windoze Boxes are all-too-often up against.
We can download something some `highly moral person' might regard
`porn' from the internet to our `desktops', but we can't download a
college assignment from a/our own personal `volume'
(EG floppy, zip disk, USB thumb drive, etc.) to the same desktop
which others have downloaded who-knows-what from the web.

I found it a tad ironic that her dad has been `banging the drum' for
software re-use and his daughter can't even re-use a file she
created on another computer -- probably (mis)using the same OS
which she was attempting to attach it to an email and send it off
into the ether.  What's wrong with this picture?

(I haven't tested this, but I don't see why it wouldn't work).
And if you're really desparate, you can probably fit FMSLogo
onto a 3.5" floppy disk if you delete the "Examples" directory
and the help files.

Not so desparate that I'd jump through all of this/those hoops rather
than use an implementation of Logo which self-extracts to a desktop
folder.  I've been making-due with Elica.  It does 3D as well.

Just don't delete the "Logolib" directory.

I'm not even going to mess with it until it self-extracts
to a desktop folder.

You can download the FMSLogo intaller and the ZIP file from:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=149686

Thanks for the link.
I went there.
I didn't download it because I expected the zip file to be of
no use on the computer I am (was) using.

By the way, if you find that you can't run FMSLogo from a CD
(or USB pen drive), then please file a bug on FMSLogo.

Okay, fair enough.

All for this one, David.
Thanks again for your efforts.
Sincerely,
  Gene Sullivan

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