[LogoForum] Re: snow flakes

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--- In LogoForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Bill Ellis <tranet@xxxx> wrote: 


On 28, Oct 2005, at 9:24 PM wrote:

Pavel Boytchev, Mike Sandy, and I have enjoyed photographing in
nature(well,
actually, only in manmade objects so far but we are still looking)
and attempting to program interesting moiré interferences:.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/snacks/moire_patterns.html


Dale
---


BE:
If you're interrested in photos of snow flakes look up "Snowflake
Bently,"
Bently was a Vermont farmer who photographed thousands of
snow flakes in the 1800s. 

Back in the early camera days.
There is a museum of his work in Essex, Vermont.

In his thousands of pictures there are no two snowflakes alike.
All are six identical point stars. 

Which makes me wonder. how does one branch of a snow flake
know what is being added on to another branch?


Which make me wonder ... how `can' or `do' we know-qua-KNOW
whatever we delude ourselves that we `know'.  There was
this old dude named Sophocles who wrote a story about a king
who knew yet didn't know -- who could discern by didn't discern --
his wife from his mother, his father from his enemy, etc.
I suspect each snowflake doesn't `know any better' than the
rest of us `flakes'. 8-]

Does this negate the Einsteinian tenet that no message can travel
faster than the speed of light ?


If you're considering this from a branch-by-branch (each snowflake
having 6 branches) I suppose it might.  For if hex radial symmetry is
to be manifest in the snowflake mere happenstance and randomness
would't result in such symetry ... it seems.
But what if the features of a slow flake evolved as progressions
of concentric rings of `fields' where, say, a static charge `caused'
the 6 simulatneous spokes to `do the same thing' for the `same
amount of time', thus resulting in symetry?  If this were the case
our `serializing' mind (EG Left hemisphere) would have duped us
into believing that something had taken place `faster than the
speed of light' ... when `mere' synchronicity or simultenaity may
have been at work. ;-]


Are there thousands and thousands of
different cores on which snowflakes grow?


I once saw a Phd thesis presentation by a guy (B. Arbuckle)
studying water at Cornell U. in Olin Hall.
There are plenty of `interested parties' who want or `need'
to know which way that next still-liquid molecule of water
is going to crystalize during the `phase change' to solid.
In fiction, KURT VONNEGUT  may have`invented' Ice 9 (in _Cat's
Cradle_) as a counterpoint of a concern his brother Bernard
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Vonnegut> just may have
had when he was following up on his insight that silver nitrate
crystals bore a rather uncanny resemblance to ice crystals
and that they might `teach' water `the pattern' to form ice.

Another amazing evidence of the beauty and complexity of nature.

Yep! 

Bill Ellis


All the best,
  Gene





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