Re: gforth dos/win

On Sep 6, 6:05 am, Bernd Paysan <bernd.pay...@xxxxxx> wrote:
Ed wrote:

"Bernd Paysan" <bernd.pay...@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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The way to create Gforth from CVS on Windows is the same way as on Unix -
you just need to install Cygwin (with build tools) to get there.

Which is a problem in itself - and probably why Bill asked.

Downloading tens (hundreds?) of megabytes of tools and maybe
getting nowhere is not the Windows paradigm. Most users only
want the final EXE.

And they don't mind if that EXE phones home and disables itself when the
anti-piracy server is down and things like that.

I've never seen a program under windoze do that. Since
I use a dial-up connection, there is no internet connection
much of the time, but no program refuses to work because of
that. And ZoneAlarm tells me when a program is attempting
to access the internet.

Speaking of dial-up, does Linux even let you use the modem
in your laptop computer? Or is it for high-speed connections
only? Not too long ago, I looked at a site that had tested
a version of Linux on a laptop, and get this: they didn't
even test the modem! Linux is for elitists; it isn't for
people who use dial-up.

Programming itself is not
the Windows paradigm, either ;-).

I don't know how many users use Gforth on Windows
...

Ask them - then you'll know whether it's worth supporting.

Well, a few people ask from time to time. But it's difficult to get
feedback, as a community also is not Windows paradigm - there, you just
download shareware, and accept that you have to click away an
annoying "give me money" box every time you launch the application.

Not true. I have used scads of free and open-source
programs under windoze, and many of them are from the
unix world. This list of programs includes some that
I haven't used myself.

awk (including an EXE compiled by Kernighan himself)
mawk
gawk
sed
grep
less
vile
vim
microEMACS
EMACS
TeX (several implementations)
Ruby
Lua
Python
Perl
Scheme (Chicken, Guile, etc.)
Common Lisp
NewLisp
Rebol
FreePascal
FreeBASIC
AutoIt (BASIC-like language that controls the mouse)
Firefox
LeechFTP
Free Download Manager
Audacity (sound editor)
XMPlay (for mp3 and ogg files)
HardDiskOGG
lame
Ghostscript & Ghostview (for pdf and postscript files)
XnView (picture viewer & manipulator)
IrfanView (ditto)
VLC (movie player)
mplayer (ditto)
CDex (audio CD ripper)


I have some download figures for bigForth - about 50% of all downloads are
the Windows version, despite the warning labels. However, 99% of the
feedback comes from Linux users.

From a free software point of view, the question whether it's worth
supporting is obvious: If you don't have a community with feedback, but
only people who want to be spoon-fed and don't give back, it's not worth
supporting.

I don't believe that you and other Linux devotees really
want feedback from windoze users, because you are too
prejudiced against them.

I recently gave feedback to you and Anton Ertl that gForth
under windoze is defective because "7 emit" doesn't ring
the bell, although the equivalent in non-Forth languages
does:

E:\>echo ^G
E:\>mawk "BEGIN{printf '%c', 7}"
E:\>awk "BEGIN{printf \"%c\", 7}"
E:\>gawk "BEGIN{printf \"%c\", 7}"
E:\>ruby -e 'print 7.chr'
E:\Lua>lua -e "print( '\7')"

There was no indication that gForth's authors intend
to correct this defect. It seems that many creators
of free software expect---and perhaps even want---
the windoze versions of their programs to be inferior
to the Linux ones.

So it seems pointless to give feedback.

I still continue the Windows version mostly for my own needs.

You mean to say that you use windoze? I'm surprised.

.

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