Re: E-mail Scramblers

JRS: In article <k4pla3-rmc.ln1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, dated Thu, 26 Jan
2006 02:35:28 remote, seen in news:comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html,
Nick Kew <nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> posted :
>Dr John Stockton wrote:
>> JRS: In article <I6FBf.209$Nv4.38796@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, dated Wed, 25
>> Jan 2006 06:43:52 remote, seen in news:comp.infosystems.www.authoring.ht
>> ml, RobG <rgqld@xxxxxxxxxxxx> posted :
>>
>>>You can't. Once you are on a list, you're a gonner. You don't even
>>>need to publish your address anywhere, spammers will target ISPs with
>>>random addresses to see those that work and those that don't. Any that
>>>aren't bounced almost immediately must be real.
>>
>>
>> They may be considered real, but it's not always a valid assumption.
>> Dial-up Internet hosts cannot reject until connected.
>>
>Not merely wrong. Your premise is dangerously wrong.
>
>Dial-up users pick up mail from their ISP's host. And mail that's on
>the ISP's host is mail that's already been accepted.
>
>If you try to reject it when you dial up, you're just spamming the
>poor sod whose address got forged.
>
>If you're a dialup user, your options are whatever your ISP provides.

My ISP provides what I describe; mail for merlyn is not rejected
immediately, but only when I connect to the ISP - or, rather, when the
ISP's SMTP soon afterwards connects to me as a result of an ISP-internal
tip-off that I've connected - and my software then sees and can reject
it.

There is at present no nick@merlyn ; mail for nick will not be accepted,
and I don't currently plan that it will be. However, you could, after I
disconnect the connection that uploads this, (a) send mail to
nick@merlyn; (b) then persuade me by non-Net means to create
nick@merlyn; (c) then, when I next connect, not get any form of
rejection, but even maybe get a reply. So mail sent to a non-existent
name can be fully received, too.

I don't collect mail by POP3, though the option is available.

What happens when mail bounces is another matter.

You have asserted that saying that a "Dial-up Internet hosts cannot
reject until connected" is wrong - I don't understand how a machine
which is not connected - is perhaps not even powered up - is perhaps in
pieces, or extinct, can possibly reject mail.

Demon itself will reject customer-type inbound mail only when addressed
to non-existent customers (fred@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx should be
such an address) or after it has been festering there for IIRC 30 days.

Your dial-up mail service, if you have [had] one, may well work
differently.


NOTE : I'm not attempting to distinguish between any more than these
states for an E-mail : heading towards me, fully accepted here, heading
away from me, deleted.

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